ASD Ad Cash Generator Scam
Ok, I am making this post to warn as many people as I can about these scammers. Anyhow, you have probably come across this new autosurf program called ASD Cash Generator or formerly known as AdSurfDaily owned by Andy Bowdoin. Well, I highly suggest you to stay away from them and NOT invest any of your hard earned money into this company.
First of all, they are classic ponzi scheme because money is being paid out from new members investing to the old members who already earned their credits and are ready to cash out. This scam is growing fast and there are more and more people cashing out, so they need more new members to cover all the payouts.
Do you remember 12dailypro? This is almost the exact same thing. I honestly believe that this ASD Cash Generator deal is going to be shut down very soon by the FTC. I hope those people will go to jail!
The problem is that so many people out there are trying to cover it up and make it sound like a legitimate work at home program. I call them “cheerleaders” 
Those people have no morals and they will say anything you want to hear just so you spend your money.
There is going to be a lot of people who will loose money with this crap once it goes down. In my opinion it’s an already sinking ship.
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July 11th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Were you scammed with this? You must be talking from experience; otherwise, this could be considered slander without proof to back it up.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Dee, I don’t have to have any experience with it. This is my blog and I can say whatever I feel like. In my opinion it’s a scam, classic ponzi. I hope I can save people from dumping their hard earned money into this bullshit. Seriously, this company is destined to fail and it will – just give it few more months or even less than that. I guarantee you that once the ASD Cash Generator gets shut down and whole bunch people loose money, they will come back here and cry about it. Right now you guys will defend it because you think it’s making you money, but there are some that will get ripped off, and loose their savings. Please do yourself a favor and put your money back in the bank! It will be much safer there, trust me on that one.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
–”Please do yourself a favor and put your money back in the bank! It will be much safer there, trust me on that one.”–
Money isn’t safe in banks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
I think ASD is a scam, plenty of people in my church are involved in it and although they have made a ton of money from it, pretty soon they will loose it all when ASD gets shut down and their greed gets the best of them.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Pawel,
You are dumber than you look which isn’t easy to do. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Learn the ASD program before you embarrass yourself even more. ASD is an amazing business and 100,000 + people are generating great money advertising their websites. ASD is going to be the LARGEST advertising company in the world in two years. Let’s chat again then idiot.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Kevin,
The only one who is making himself look like an idiot is YOU. This program is a scam and you all know it. Come on cheerleaders, join the discussion and show us some proof of all the claims the company is making. They are going to get shut down sooner or later. You can bet on that! In fact, I believe that ASD will not survive 6-7 more months.
Kevin, if you think that ASD is going to be the LARGEST advertising company in the world then you seriously need to go and get your head checked out.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:57 am
WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!
ASD Cash Generator.
WATCH YOUR POCKET BOOK.
I’m warning everwhere I can.
It’s made up of a bunch of tail chasers.
People ignoring websites so theirs will be ignored.
Makes a lot of sense, but then common sense isn’t very common is it?
The only ones who profits are Andy Bowdoin and his cronies.
I bought an ad package.
Right on the ASD website they say:
“If you purchase an ad package and it doesn’t show up on your purchase to email support”
I got the receipt for my ad package and guess what?
NO ad package. Makes you wonder why they make that statement.
I have repeatedly put in support tickets but they refuse to reply even after 1 month.
I emailed that scam artist Any Bowdoin and he also refuses to address my issue and so does Alert Pay.
I think both ASD and their co-conspirator AlertPay are scamming people who sign up with the smaller ad packages.
YES, warning to everyone who reads these posts. Beware of those who defend ASD.
They are either the lucky few who have made larger ad purchases,
Or they are paid to surf the net refuting those who have been ripped off and are warning people.
They have to protect their interest at all cost.
I’m just glad I didn’t come into it with the full $12,000.
I would have been on a couple of flights and you would have read about me in the newspapers. I’m burning HOT and ready to… _ _ _ _.
JUST WATCH YOUR ASS… POCKET OR PURSE.
Randy Anderson
Ripped-off in Arizona by ASD – Andy Bowdoin.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:13 am
Randy, I am sorry to hear that. Would you mind telling us how much money have you lost with them?
This is a perfect example of how this company operates. They even tried to say that they teamed up with Google, which is a total LIE! I hope Google sues them for that statement. What a joke
July 13th, 2008 at 5:54 am
ASD has File a 10 Million Dollar Law Suit Against http://www.mlmwatchdog.com and Harold Cook, 2410 Cinco Woods, San Antonio, TX 78259 on Friday of last week. As soon as the information is available I will forward it to you.
Internet Chat Forums are filled with Rumors, Gossips, and Opinions (including this one)…
What every person need to determine when going through all the Posts and comments is to answer this question: Is this statement a FACT or an OPINION.
You’ll find that the overwhelming number of statements made about ASD are Opinions not grounded on any real facts…and if you ask the person making the statement to provide real factual data to support their statements, they will typically ignore your request and move on to the next “Opinion Statement”.
ASD’s Chief Counsel Attorney Robert Garner has put out on the web a for the Public a Legality Statement that EVERYONE can read, including every Regulatory Agency in the USA and Abroad, the FBI, CIA, …available to EVERYONE…
Robert Garner has a Law Office and is online:
garnerlawoffice.com
If you go Online to his Law Office, it is VERY CLEAR that he is a SEC Attorney, who have clients in multiple locations including outside the USA.
SO…ask yourself this question:
You have a real life Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Attorney who has his Law Firm’s Reputation on the Line (www.garnerlawoffice.com) making a Public Statement to support ASD’s Legality that EVERYONE (EVERY ATTORNEY, JUDGE, FBI AGENTS) can read.
Does it make sense that a SEC Attorney put his whole Law Firm’s Reputation, Credibility, and Potential Jail time over a well known PONZI SCHEME as some ASD Basher’s have claimed?
Who has more credibility?
The Published legal statement of a SEC Attorney putting his Law Firm’s Credibility and Reputation on the Table or the “Expert Legal Opinions” of ASD Bashers on the Discussion Forums?
So the next time you read a person’s OPINION that “ASD is a PONZI Scheme” or ASD is “Illegal Scam”, ask them a few questions such as this:
If ASD is an “Illegal SCAM” then either:
A) Robert Garner is either an idiot SEC Attorney who have no clue what a Ponzi scheme is (but does business with the SEC)…or
B) Robert Garner is intentionally and purposely part of this SCAM and is putting his Law Firm’s Reputation and Law Career out there with an “Illegal ASD Legality Statement” for every Judge, FBI, and Regulatory Agency to SHUT DOWN and land him in Jail.
Would they choose Choice A or Choice B?
July 13th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Obviously it’s a scam… Heck, a 2 year old could figure that out. A grossly overpriced “product” that NOBODY would buy for the price without the “money-game” and a big disclaimer by their attorney right up front about how they are not like 12 Daily Pro… How many more times will you people fall for another scam anyway?
July 13th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Jim,
I honestly don’t believe it’s true what you just have posted here. The article on MLMWatchDog was posted couple of days ago from what I have heard, so there is no way ASD filed a law suit against them last week. By the way, if ASD has been already posted on MLMWatchDog then you can bet that FTC is watching it already.
I don’t care what ASD says, in my opinion it’s a scam and you sure will find out very soon. I hope that IRS will make you pay taxes on all those earnings that you made even though you haven’t cashed out yet.
Quick note for those who are reading this post…Please save your money! It’s not worth it. You will get burned and possibly face jail time. Run away from these scammers.
July 14th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Any info about Clarence Busby, Jr.?
Golden Panda Ad Builder, Ltd CEO
ASD Chinese site
No luck in my research
Regards
DP
July 14th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I watch cnbc a lot.
Never heard anything about Andy B.
But I don’t lose hope.
I’ll keep checking the website below,
http://www.cnbc.com/id/18057119/
DP
July 15th, 2008 at 8:56 am
I am getting in. I have just too many friends making way too much money for it to be untrue. Granted, no one should ever invest everything in just one place. But my friends are getting rich while I try to find facts supporting the claims that it is a scam.
So far, all I have seen is “whiners” like this one, with no facts to base his claims.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Adam,
Of course there are some that made money. That’s how a ponzi operates. The people who join early usually profit at others’ expense. So if you join you want to ask yourself this…Can I live with the fact that some lost their savings so I could profit? What’s your answer? I have heard that people are dumping their entire savings accounts on this crap, taking out their CDs etc. It’s a sad story. I guess I can’t criticize those who truly don’t know it’s a scam and join it from desperation to make some fast buck. Some people just really don’t know that it’s a scam. Let’s just see what happens with it in the next 2-3 months. I have a feeling that the end of ASD is just around the corner.
By the way, there are already people who reported that ASD is not paying out, and don’t answer support tickets. Seems like they are more concerned about the members who deposited the most money and leave the small fish hanging without support.
Just wait and see
July 16th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Pawel,
Be careful what you say, I’ve been a member now for 3 weeks and turned 10 grand into over 20k with rebates and commissions. I met Andy the CEO at the Miami rally last weekend 7/12/08. If he a scammer than all 6000+ people are crazy like me? By the way do you even know who this man is awarded the Medal of Distinction by President Bush last month. Heads the board of one of a very large domain reseller. go…..
Better get your facts straight or he will be gunning for you too.
Any of you readers out there want to call me 321-984-7223 Robert, Leave a message if I’m not there I’ll return your call and explain how this company runs its business. fact in the last 3 weeks I’ve had over a thousand visitors to my web site. I’d normally get 2 to 3 a day before ASD
it works its good and its changed my life dramatically for the better.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:33 am
You mentioned the exorbitant cost of the ASD service at $1 per click…hmmmmm….I know of many who pay far more than that per click through other services for far less exposure and certainly not with exposure to a “targeted market” like ASD advertising provides… $1 per click is cheap. I personally am advertising a site for my daughter’s toothbrush biz…before ASD it got zero exposure…since ASD she is selling 5-10 $18.95 toothbrushes PER DAY! Does ASD advertising work? A resounding yes…and I have proof. And isn’t this what this is all about..buying advertising and sharing all the revenue with members to provide incentives to attract more business. Perhaps if Google had done this their stock would not be $800 per share and thousands of “members” would be financially free as well and Google stock would be at $350 a share. Newspapers should also follow this model…no wonder they are pissed…ASD is stealing their revenue … and rightly so! No wonder they control the media and can move public opinion…they keep all the advertising profits sharing nothing with those who made them the monster they are.
July 16th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Rober,
Please show me proof of that he got that award. Also, from what I understand you can get that award by helping raise money for the political party. So even if he got one it must have been old news and not relevant to the fact that ASD is a scam in my opinion. You say you made 20K from 10K, so the company pays out more than what they take in?? Sounds like a ponzi and smells like it too. You say that you got thousands of visitors, but those are just folks that are simply going through 24 sites so they can get paid. They don’t give a shit about what you are selling. It’s the money game that they care about.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I’m surprised this opportunity hasn’t generated much blogging until now. Whether this is a Ponzi or a pyramid scheme or something else is irrelevant. What is relevant is whether this is a sustainable business model. The important question all should ask is “where are all the huge profits coming from?”. Are they coming from real value-added advertizing or from other members contributions? C’mon – be honest – you know the answer.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Shame on you for bashing someone that is helping us Americans live the financially secure American Dream. Andy is my friend, know him and his wife personally and they have a fundamental testimony, love of the Lord Jesus Christ, and should be praised for the revenue they make available for those that want the opportunity. We have made quite much and are free from debt, thanks to his program. Not said with the Panda site— CEO is a scam artist, I hear and have researched. Thanks for your time
July 16th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Bev, honestly I feel sorry for those who joined it and got sucked into this deal. I guess time will tell, so all we can do right now is sit and wait to see how long will it take for FTC to shut it down.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
What is amazing is that anyone can open up a blog and slander a company for whatever reason without the single most important factor, PROOF!!
For Instance, doing some Due Diligence, joining the company, putting your money in (never put in more than you can afford to lose), attending conference calls, conventions or rallies and seeing in fact if you get scammed or not. You based your statements from a program that was around about 2 yrs ago (12 Daily Pro) and because that program did the wrong thing now no other surfing program can exist by doing the right thing??
How do you explain the “Medal Of Distinction”??
How do you explain 120,000 + members??
How do you explain a supposed scam file a Multi Million Dollar Lawsuit against slanderer (such as yourself)??
How do you explain a supposed scam having rallies where you actually meet the President and CEO and they have give up to 100% matching bonuses to new or existing members with $500 or more an ad package purchases??
Why would a supposed scam artist reveal his identity??
Why would a supposed scam buy a new building which requires more employees to offset the influx of new members and cash flow??
Why does ASD have the Attorney General’s blessings??
Why would a supposed scam have you file a W9 form???
williambuckley.name/2008/07/do-you-want-to-know-what-andy-bowdoin.html
williambuckley.name/2008/07/asd-cash-generator-and-andy-bowdoin.html
Now I know what you’re going to say…”Do I have proof of my statements”?? Yes, I’m a member, I listen to the conference calls, I have done my Due Diligenge on the internet, I read the breaking news from the company, I have an upline that keeps me informed and I understand how ASD’s plan works which does not rely on new members to pay existing members which would be a ponzi. All types of business are advertised at ASD which is great exposure for the advertisers and make some money viewing other member’s “Brick and Mortar” or online opportunity.
At this point, you will now call me a cheerleader because it goes against everything you have said. OK, whatever.
So for those members who have posted that they have had a problem with ASD and sending in support tickets, did you contact your upline?? How about another member of ASD who’s not in your upline?? I’m sure that anyone who is in this program would be willing to help you with your issue to try to get it resolved.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Zeus,
The whole problem is that ASD Cash Generator can’t survive if they stopped accepting new members who pay the money to surf. This is why they are trying to expand to other countries now. I’ve heard that they want to open a portal for China. I know that their government most likely will not allow something like this and will prosecute their citizens if they get involved. Can you live with that? You say that those that are having problems with ASD should contact other members or they upline??? Why in the hell would they have to do that? Why can’t they get an answer from the company? What is going on? I hope you were just kidding
July 17th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Zeus,
Hmmm. If it turns out that Pawel is correct in his assertions and you are wrong, then should you be guilty of aiding and abetting a criminal and racketeering?
BTW, your supporting arguments are not proof. And 120,000 members CAN be wrong. Ever read about the support for Hitler before the war?
I really don’t think there is any malice in this discussion – just a genuine concern that this may be very risky and I, for one, don’t want ANYONE to bet their mortgage payments or their 401K’s on this.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
I, for one, have made a lot of money with ASD. Five figures in my personal checking account already and counting. Six figures in three months. I have 15 people in my downline all up 5 figures already…profit! I don’t think 120,000 + members all making great money advertising their website to the world is a scam. Just curious, who is getting scammed? 119,998 happy members and two boneheads that complain on blogs.
I guess any idiot can have a blog but you really should know what you are talking about before posting this nonsense. This company is taking in 8 figures PER WEEK and I am glad to be a part of it at the ground floor level because we will have a million members by the end of the year. Sorry you naysayers are jealous and missing the boat. Your loss.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Jim,
You are missing a very important point here. As I said there are people making money with it…sure….but the company has no real proof of earnings from other sources. Where is the money coming from? We all know how this works
More new members = more capital to payout to existing members. So if you made what you claim you did, then someone else along the way will probably loose money. Oh and by the way, I wouldn’t be so sure that the company will still be around by the end of this year 
July 18th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Although my sister has made her initial investment back and a good amount more in just a couple months, I am leery. I’ve been trying to research the business model to understand how income will continue to be generated when there are not many new members to add. I can’t find it. I am looking and finding a lot of people saying it is great or it is a scam, but not an explanation of how this is a long-term sustainable business. It seems to me that the members, as a whole, have to spend more than they invest in order for it to make money. That’s if I understand this correctly. The lack of clear answers on this really makes me want to try to talk my other sisters out of putting their savings in this!
July 18th, 2008 at 12:57 am
ASD Cash Generator Considered Fraud
http://www.tulsatoday.com/newsdesk/…..Itemid=2
I want proof there are 120,000+ members.
I want proof Fortune 500 companies are advertising with ASD.
I want proof the founder received some presidential honor in Washingtion, DC.
I want proof the founder has the utmost integrity.
I want a frickn’ website that can stay up for more than 5 seconds.
Explosive growth is no excuse for a crappy performing website.
Who could possibly trust their money with this fly-by-night website?
HOPE has NO place in investing (oops, it’s not investing!), period. Facts are all that matter.
And how come God always comes into play with these things? This isn’t church.
What is wrong with just hard work and innovation anymore? Has this country stooped to this low of level where easy money is mindset of the many?
July 18th, 2008 at 1:00 am
wow, you all need to get your facts straight before you slander Andy and ASD. Andy is a man in great Integrity and honesty. He is a great business man with a lot of smarts. He DID file a suit and you better believe those slandering him and his company will pay. I and my husband are business owners and we advertise (not invest!) with ASD. We have had tons of hits to our site and I do look at others site and not ignore them. if you choose not to look at others sites then you do not get a rebate back for the day you did not look at others sites. It is not a ponzi scheme. It is purely legit. Why, by the way, (to the one who said it) would the IRS tax us for all the money we did not cash out? if we buy more ad packs every day with our cash balance that we earned in rebates then we are reinvesting our money back into our business that we are advertising. If you have any business sense at all you would know that you do not pay taxes on that. You do, however, pay taxes on any money you cashout and take home. That is why you file a W9 with ASD. It is for tax purposes. (duh) I think anyone who hates ASD is jealous. Why not try it. You can purchase as little as $10 in ad packs to advertise your business. That is not a lot of money at all. Seriously, would you whine about $10? You won’t lose it anyway. You are advertising your business. You would get 10 hits to your site for $10. no matter what happens, you have lost nothing. You got 10 people to look at your site. That is, after all, what you paid for.
I think you all need to seriously do research on the FACTS before you point fingers and start spreading your lies. You can be sued for the lies. Watch what you say. All you are stating are opinions and not facts. Anyone who is smart would realize this. It breaks my heart to see all these lies spread about Andy Bowdoin. He is a wonderful man. Stop into the Offices in Quincy FL if you feel that strongly about your opinion. Seriously. If you are going to set up a campaign against someone, shouldn’t you meet this someone face to face before you try to slaughter them? Go to the office and talk to the people who work there and set up a meeting with Andy. If he is there you would probably get a chance to talk with him. Grow up, and go speak face to face with the person you are bashing. Stop all this immature “blogging” and cowardly approach.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:26 am
a friend,
LOL, you can’t post your name? I won’t even respond to your post. It’s all just rah…rah…rah hahaha
July 18th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Lewis,
Thank you for posting this link to TulsToday. Now it’s clear that the wheels are turning and ASD is about to be gone
Hopefully more media outlets will pick this up, so the members that are trying to defend it realize what’s going on.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:40 am
“Andy is a man in great Integrity and honesty. ”
Really? How do you know? Have you known him for many years? This is cut and paste from other forums.
“He DID file a suit and you better believe those slandering him and his company will pay.”
Whatever. Once this thing gets shutdown ASD will have plenty of their own lawsuits to pay. This is cut and paste from other forums.
“We have had tons of hits to our site and I do look at others site and not ignore them. ”
$1 per ad _view_ is rape.
“You do, however, pay taxes on any money you cashout and take home.”
You made money. It was an investment then.
“I think anyone who hates ASD is jealous. ”
No. I am on a personal mission though because I have a family member that takes his advice from ‘friends’ that wave dollar signs in front of his face instead of looking at facts… and then gets mad at me because I try to uncloud his mind of fantasy.
“You can purchase as little as $10 in ad packs to advertise your business. That is not a lot of money at all. ”
Yes it is. It’s rape. $1 per ad _view_ is rape. _view_ is not the same as click-through. Big difference.
“I think you all need to seriously do research on the FACTS before you point fingers and start spreading your lies. ”
I think you need to come back to reality and realize the truth. The truth being that this thing claims these unstustainable percentages… and the website is always down or slower than a snail.
“It breaks my heart to see all these lies spread about Andy Bowdoin. He is a wonderful man. Stop into the Offices in Quincy FL if you feel that strongly about your opinion.”
Sure, I’ll book a flight down there tonight. Which office do I go to? The house or the 4-story building?
“Grow up, and go speak face to face with the person you are bashing. ”
I won’t have to. The SEC will probably be doing plenty of face-to-face meetings.
Look, here is ASD in a nutshell:
1) Buy ad packages for an outragous $1 per ad _view_.
2) Be forced to surf canned websites to burn ads so people have to buy new ad packages.
3) Pay people at the top at the expense of people at the bottom.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Lewis,
Great post! You nailed it
Those people need a wake up call. The only thing I am worrying about is the poor people who just simply don’t know better and dumped their hard earned money into this money game. When ASD goes down some people will loose their savings. Very sad.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:06 am
These programs (schemes) come and go and I mostly ignore them, but like I said in my previous post, this one got personal when my family member, who is like my big brother (uncle actually) got a little snappy at me when I wanted to know exactly which Fortune 500 companies are advertising with ASD. (This is a rumor; I have yet to see facts.)
It actually hurt that he would value the advice of ‘friends’ waiving dollar signs in front of his face more than the advice from me, which was basically to find out the facts first before jumping in.
These things do nothing but tear families apart. The only people to make real money are the ones that got in first at the top.
Innovate people. Work hard. Earn money. Make America great. You will appreciate it much more.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
have not known Andy personally but I do have a friend of 13 years who speaks with Andy on a daily basis. I also know people who are older gentlemen who have known Andy for many, many years.
There are no unsustainable percentages to maintain. Where do you gt your facts from/ (cut and paste from other forums!!?) They say that is is anywhere from .5%-8% and lately it has been an average of 1% of your ad packs a day (the rebates) They have other forms of revenues coming into the company and not just ad packs. Seriously. Get the facts. Get to know what hey do to figure out what the percentages will be for the day. It is all based on the outside revenues not ad packs bought. And they take the total revenue and divide it in half and then divide that by all the people in the company with active ad packages and come up with the percentage. That is why they will never go under and Andy is a genius.
I do not cut and paste from other forums. I speak in my own words.
I call myself a friend because I am almost ashamed that I even read the lies in this forum. I wanted to know what all the hub bub was about from other friends of mine that have said to me that people are lying about Andy. I do not want to associate my name with a forum that speaks lies.
My husband and I make money at this. We chose to roll over our money right now and when we reach a certain point we would start to take it ot. I have friends who have taken cash out already and are doing very well. My husband and I currently make approx $300 a week. Not too shabby for only a few minutes on the computer. The ads I look at are not scams. I have seen Delta and Tupperware consultants and other hard working consultants advertising their business with ASD. In fact, My Avon business has already picked up 3 new customers since I started with ASD in April. I am ding well with my advertising my Avon business with ASD. The bigger companies that come in will pay for advertising with ASD and not get rebates percentages back. That is yet another form of revenue coming into the company. That is how they pay their members.
You say, Lewis, that you do not need to go to the office and speak with Andy in person or others n the office because the SEC will soon. Tat is just a lame excuse. If I were truly concerned about a company I would go to the company and check it out before making claims. it does not matter that you think the SEC will be there. You are chickening out by not visiting yourself. If you are on some so called mission then do the right and grown-up thing and visit the office before you make anymore false claims. Show everyone here that you are a big person and a smart person and do ALL the research necessary before slandering someone.
July 18th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
A.friend –
Oh! So now they have other revenue streams supporting the incredible profits. I didn’t know. Doesn’t say anything about that on their web site that I am aware of. Perhaps you would be so kind as to inform us where that information can be found. And here I thought this was a self-sustaining enterprise in it’s own right.
July 18th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
I’ve been researching this for a few days and the biggest thing that sticks out to me is “Where does the money come from?”
You need to view 24 crap sites a day for a month; that’s 720 views, or $720 people have paid into this just to get back your $10. AND that’s just to break even. (From what I see) The only way to start trickling in some money is refer people to buy more ad credits under you, and earn pennies on their dollars, and so on and so on, til you’re scraping bottom.
I dont want to rip off the poor and make the rich richer, just I can make a quick buck. Youre right Pawel, i dont have the heart. Show me a system where I can rip off the rich!
There is something that caught my I think might be similar: adpsyclone or ad tornado, some crap. beware unless you’re greedy like the rest…
July 18th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
“My Avon business has already picked up 3 new customers since I started with ASD in April.”
An ad in your local newspaper would probably get you a better return on your money. Only 1 new customer per month is not very many.
$1 per page _view_ is rape and is at many many times the market rate.
Nobody in their right mind, that was using this really for advertising, would hope their website was viewed by a few people (currently only 120,000 I’m told) for an outragous $1 each _view_ when Yahoo/Google/MSN can advertise to millions and only charge when someone actually clicks on the ad, and for a fraction of the cost I might add.
The inflated cost of the ads in this self contained ecosystem are only to provide payouts (but don’t call this an investment!).
By the way, is there a way for non-members to view the websites in the ad rotation? If not, why would anyone even think of using this for advertising? (I know the answer; it’s not really for advertising, deep down. It’s to go through the motions to burn ads so more people buy ad packages to keep money flowing in for payouts.)
“If you are on some so called mission then do the right and grown-up thing and visit the office before you make anymore false claims. Show everyone here that you are a big person and a smart person and do ALL the research necessary before slandering someone”
Why would I waste my money to buy a plane ticket? I should just be able to go to the website and see all the facts; but no, the website is usually down or so unbearably slow, nobody could ever finish their daily forced/pretend surfing in one day.
What are these 120,000 people advertising anyway? Toothpicks and pet rocks for sale? Maybe some of their kids’ used clothing? (I bet 99% go out and have a website made up just to be in the system.)
I’m just thinking a little bit instead of my mind being clouded by $$$.
July 18th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
I don’t know if ASD is a scam or not, but it does appear that the people who have invested in the program are willing to ignore all logic and support the program like it’s some sort of cult. But you know the saying: if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.
The main reason I’m replying is that I’m so sick of ASD members talking about Andy Bowdoin’s “Medal of Distinction”. This medal is awarded by the Republican Congressional Committee, not by the President. Anyone who contributes a bunch of money or time to the RCC can get a medal of distinction. It’s a reward, not an award, and receiving it has nothing to do with a person’s character. In fact, this year another recipient of the award is in jail right now on drug charges.
Time will tell is ASD is legitimate or not. I’m sitting this one out for now.
July 19th, 2008 at 6:04 am
have you ever been ripped off? doesn’t feel good right? but you live ,you learn to live with it, and you learn from your mistakes! so who cares? not me as long as you get what you put in what does it matter? if you think its a scam than put in $10, if you loose it tough luck! life is way harder than that im sure you’ll recover it somehow…alot of people here are talkin sh*t and can not back it up with cold hard facts! for those of you who have made thousands of dollars with ASD i tip my hat to you! for those of you sitting on the sidelines posting these bull**t blogs and talking sh*t about people you dont know or are to pu**y to confront face to face for the real facts do yourselves a favour and shut the f**k up cause your not doing anything to change the world believe me! do you think anyone gives a flying f**k if your backed up on morgage payments or if you are struggling to put your kids through college? im sorry to break it to you so publicly but NO! nobody cares its a dog eat dog world out there so take care of yourselves and your families and learn to look the other way and bite your tongue if you think something is up! because 98% percent of the time you wont have the time or resources to take care of these problems
take care.
July 19th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Sorry that my last post was incomplete. Hit the wrong button! I think the best thing I have heard above is ‘TIME WILL TELL’ whether the ASD business is sustainable or not. Some are assuming ASD will fail because earlier internet ‘opportunities’ of a similar nature (that ended up being ponzis) have failed. This makes sense to compare similarities, although one must also look for differences to be completely fair. The evidence that all here are looking for can be looked for and found, one way or the other. I am an ASD member that joined in April 2008. That is 18 months after the company was launched (which was November 2006). I am making money every day with ASD now, my debts are decreasing and I am putting money in the bank. I am making a living now with ASD, even though I could do it in other ways (and partially I do). I have friends that are doing the same. So the idea that the early ones in are the only ones who are making money from ASD does not really hold water if I can come in 18 months later and make steady money. Accusations are really a bit premature here if the person posting has not really looked and seen what this particular company is up to, what they have done and what they have planned. The BBB website for example (which I have read as part of my Due Diligence on ASD) lists 3 complaints about ASD, all of which have been resolved. I know there have been problems, I have experienced some as well, but my 2-3 issues and those of my immediate group have all been resolved. And ASD now runs a SUPPORT line on two shifts, one during business hours and one to 11 PM EST. I would consider that a company that is trying hard to resolve customer issues. If you want evidence of the BBB statement above, it is available on the BBB website (check it via Google). It was mentioned above that payouts from ASD were behind and that there were various excuses given for that such as problems with the website. I attest it is true that payouts were 2 weeks behind, as my personal payouts WERE 2 weeks behind up to about 4 days ago. They have now been caught up completely. I can not speak for anyone but myself and my immediate friends that are in ASD. They are telling me their payments are being caught up as well. As to the website, yes it has been a real pain at times. But ASD has now just contracted an advanced IT company to build a new website so that it will be reliable and speedy for up to millions of members. That is new news from only 2 days ago. ASD has taken in a lot of money as is covered above. And I too at one point was concerned about the sustainability of the company, as I am an investor for a living and did my due diligence like anyone else. ASD however has now formed a real estate division that will start to purchase distressed properties at a HUGE discount. This is a very sensible thing to invest in, especially if you have tens of millions of dollars in reserves and can get the best discounts by buying properties at 50% or more off. And then can afford to hold onto them for a while, improve them or resell even at the lower market prices we have today. With todays market this makes sense as an income stream that can generate multi-millions of dollars in profits for the ASD business per year. This all helps sustainability, which was my main concern earlier. Why would an internet advertising company invest in real estate? Why would anyone? It is the most reliable wealth builder in history. It is not uncommon for large corporations to invest in other things including real estate. The most real estate rich company in the world for example is MacDonalds. This is a large part of the value of this multi billion dollar worldwide business. The only other comparison I want to make to MacDonalds is that it is a company that sells burgers. If they stopped selling burgers they would go out of business. Either with the same or new customers, they have to keep selling burgers to remain a profitable business. ASD needs to sell advertising to continue to be a successful business, whether with new or existing customers. They have a rebate system where you have to view others websites daily in order to earn the rebates on your advertising purchase costs. I personally love the system and it has drawn me to ASD. I do view others websites every single day. Some are boring, some are very interesting and I check them out in more detail. As to the integrity of Andy Bowdoin, I have met him and attended the Tampa ASD yearly convention in June (3,000 people there). I have not known him for a long time. The ASD website lists his business accomplishments. They are impressive. His background has been checked by a person who does this for a living and nothing significant was found. He is an experienced and innovative businessman with a clean record. That is enough for me for now. I will get to know him better as time goes on. Sorry this was long …. I hope the above provides at least a bit more of a balanced picture for those who are willing to look on both sides of the coin for themselves before coming to a conclusion about this business either way. I don’t mind if this post gets picked apart and bashed. I know the consequences of posting online. I only give a fair warning to anyone who posts here with false/unverified/slanderous information about ASD. They have formed a compliance division and are coming after those who seek to bring the company down with unsubstantiatd malicious rumors. So if you have something bad to say, better you be able to back it up with evidence or hold onto it until you can prove it. If you would like more information on ASD, I would be happy to provide it. Thanks for reading.
Ron
July 19th, 2008 at 10:40 am
If ASD is defined as “Web 3.0″, the internet is screwed.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Give me your phone number and name and we can have a three-way phone cal with Andy himself. You can talk to him over the phone instead of buying a plane ticket. Will not cost you a dime.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Ron, Good work. You said it so elequnetly. Good job!
July 19th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Still no one has been able to explain how this is a sustainable business. I’m really very open – not committed to either side of this debate. But my sisters are putting all their money in this, so I’m trying to understand it. I have been searching for 2 days to find anything that is sustainable. I hear that Andy is a great guy. I hear that the company is diversified so that there are other income streams. I hear that people are getting money out of this so far. But none of that is a sustainable business. It seems to me that true advertisers are not going to want to pay for advertising to people who are, in essence, getting paid to look at their sites. Someone mentioned McDonald’s as a comparison. But McDonalds offers something of value to people who want something fast to eat. How does this compare? This company is offering extremely overpriced advertising that companies could get much cheaper. I’ve looked and looked, and I can’t find a sustainable business here with some kind of value stream. I hope that is there, because I’m really going to be sad if my sisters loose all of their money, or even if they end up getting theirs, but the folks who join after them loose their money.
July 19th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
“I only give a fair warning to anyone who posts here with false/unverified/slanderous information about ASD. They have formed a compliance division and are coming after those who seek to bring the company down with unsubstantiatd malicious rumors. ”
All I want is proof of:
1) Fortune 500 companies ‘partnering’ with ASD. (Google AdWords does not count. Anyone can do this.)
2) The Presidential Medal of Distinction award.
Until I see these things, _they_ are unsubstantiated rumors and could possibly be considered false marketing if not true.
The website is either usually down or too slow to use; this has been a true statement for the past several days. This is a big problem.
We’re talking about proper handling peoples’ money here. This is serious stuff. Fiduciary responsibility.
July 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
ASD does not put in writing anything about partnering with google, the names of there other companies (including the ebook company), the photo of the Republican Medal of Distinction will never be published online ever as there is not a real photo if they have shown a photo at the rallies it has been photo shopped. ASD could easily put an end to all of the bashers if ASD was not lying. They do not need lawyers to put an end to it they just need to release the facts. IF the are telling the truth it should be easy to make all bashers look stupid.
July 19th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
My name is:
Jack Arons
Big Bend Crimes
10088 Blue Waters Road
Tallahassee, Florida 32305
H: 850-421-5791
C: 850-933-6787
ANDY BOWDOIN IS A CROOK AND HIS COMPANY IS A SCAM!
I have been waiting for over a week for Captain Andy and his so called lawyers to sue me as he promised. It is apparent that he is full of hot air. Also to all you who believe that Mr. Gardner is the corporate lawyer for this scam then how come is not a member of the Florida Bar which is required
if he intends to handle any Legal Matters for the Corporation?????
July 19th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Justin, I agree. I want them to make me look stupid.
Until then, there is no way, no how I am investing (oops, it’s not an investment!) in unsubstantiated claims and/or rumors.
Hope has no place in investing (um, I mean, not investing!).
July 19th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Ponzi or Pyramid? I don’t know, nor I am in the least bit qualified to comment on that.
The one thing I do know, is that I haven’t seen such explosive passion (on all sides — plus and minus) about a single “program” in a long, long time. It’ll be very interesting to see how this whole thing pans out.
I have to say, objectively, that with this alleged “award” that was given to ASD’s president, in actuality, was NOT what ASD’s website and its membership constituency would have you believe it was.
There are statements floating out there saying that ASD’s president was invited by George Bush and Dick Cheney personally to the White House to receive a “medal of distinction” for his esteemed contributions to business. To substantiate this, the ASD website posts no official press releases (with contact information) nor any press clippings regarding this.
When I contacted the White Office Press Office, I was told that no such award was given by the White House, nor was there any related information on ASD nor its head.
On June 17th, the Business Advisory Council (under the umbrella of the NRCC) hosted a meet and greet reception in Washington, where numerous individuals were given medals for their monetary contributions to the Republican coffers, and later given a photo op with Republican members of Congress. The following night, there was a dinner honoring George Bush (his official farewell event with the NRCC) whereby participants from the previous night’s event were invited yo attend; and more photo ops ensued.
These events were sponsored by the NRCC and NOT sanctioned by the White House. It behooves ASD and its followers to be careful what information they’re putting out there; white lies and half-truths can come back and take a bite out of their derrieres.
July 19th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I just spent a little time reading some of your past reviews. Seems as long as everyone agrees with “your” opinion, it’s right. When they don’t you call people names and such. Personally I have no respect for that, either way. One review I read was interesting and maybe others might want to look at it as well. It’s the “Scam.com Forum, What A Joke” review. Seems to me you use your site for a lot of “self” promotion, which is fine. The American way, right? We all do. And one reason I “advertise” with ASD Cash Generator.
And yes, I’m a “cheerleader” and “idiot” as you so judgmentally call us. But it’s by choice, certainly not based on advice by someone such as yourself sir. After reading your reviews I don’t think I’ll be visiting your site again, simply ran across it while doing some searches today.
And I think you calling someone a “cheerleader” is like you calling the “kettle black”.
Simply “My” opinion and I do agree on one point, “only time will tell”.
Good day.
July 19th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Butch,
Please point out to me where I called someone an idiot. Earlier I said that Kevin was making himself look like one since he called me names first. Read his post first. As far as the scam.com forum goes, yes I was upset about some things they said about me and other people I know. I have my opinion and they have theirs. This is my blog and I can say whatever I feel like. But ASD is just going to take a lot of people down with them. I mean come on, some people dumped $50K in this. I know one person that has $80K in it. We all know how this company operates and where the money is coming from. There is no product, no contracts with all those Fortune 500 companies as they claim, and the end is around the corner. I wonder what all those people who invested their savings will do after the company is gone.
July 19th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Pawel, I guess that’s a question they’ll have to answer themselves, since they made the decision to participate by “choice”. A choice they made themselves, as I did. And you did use the word “idiot” in a directed way toward another individual who doesn’t agree with your “opinion”. As I said, I personally don’t respect name calling either way in opinion blogs. We have way too much negativity as it is.
Interesting that I did a web search on Mr. Jack Arons in a post above and couldn’t find a website for his business “Big Bend Crimes”. You have to advertise a website on ASD in order to comply with the terms and conditions.
FYI, I and another individual will be personally meeting with Andy Bowdoin on Thursday of this next week. And I will have some questions for him. Several people I know have personally met with him and I have not heard one negative comment thus far. I have printed out your blog and will take it with me and have him address your issues directly. Including Mr. Aron’s comments.
I’m not saying your wrong sir, and certainly I am in no position to say you are right. But I do know several professional individuals who have certainly done their “due diligence” and are participating. Including myself.
If you are one that has missed the boat, that’s your problem. Seems it would be a great opportunity to advertise your website. If you’re right, well, you’re simply right.
Again, “only time will tell”…right?
July 19th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Butch, let me ask you again. Can you please point out where I called someone an idiot? By the way, this post was not against all members of ASD. I agree that there are people who just don’t know any better and they joined it because of desperation to make some easy money. I made this post to warn people about the company and express my opinion. I called “cheerleaders” those who are defending it knowing that it’s a scam. And I don’t think it’s that offensive either.
July 19th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Ok Pawel, I’ll try this once again sir.
Kevin,
The only one who is making himself look like an idiot is YOU. This program is a scam and you all know it. Come on cheerleaders, join the discussion and show us some proof of all the claims the company is making. They are going to get shut down sooner or later. You can bet on that! In fact, I believe that ASD will not survive 6-7 more months.
Kevin, if you think that ASD is going to be the LARGEST advertising company in the world then you seriously need to go and get your head checked out.
This is your response. Kevin said you were simply “Dumber than you look”, he didn’t call you an idiot. But you called him one.
And another thing. I have yet to see where your “opinion” is nothing more than an “opinion” and based on no facts. I think you well know “opinions are like …….., we all have one”. Present company included.
But there is a difference in having an opinion and being judgmental based on no facts. That’s where I have a problem with your statements sir and I’m sure ASD will as well.
July 19th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Butch, did you read Kevin’s entire post? Read it all and see what he says at the end of his statement.
July 19th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
My apologies sir. As I said, no respect for name calling either way.
But you haven’t answered my questions. Please give me the facts that you based your opinion on in regard to ASD.
That’s really the issue. And as I said, I will certainly bring up your concerns when I meet with Mr. Bowdoin next week.
July 19th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
I want to debunk this notion that Andy is some kind of genius, visionary, and astute businessman. If he is so astute and a visionary, then how in the world did he start an online Internet company with a manual back office? Not very astute or a visionary. For someone who saw the vision of GPS technology ahead of its time, you would have thought he would know he had to have an automated system. But the lie of this is this. The same idea that Uncle Andy had the vision for in 1999, was already being done in 1995. What a visionary. Then we come to the issue of his not having enough staff to handle the explosion of growth. Any astute businessman has contingency plans in place before they open their doors to handle such growth. They react immediately, not months after it is happening. You also work out what methods of payment you are going to receive BEFORE you open your doors, not after. For them to just now getting around to accepting VISA (why not MasterCard, American Express and Discover?) is laughable. This is what real companies do before they open their doors.
I keep hearing about all these other avenues of income ASD is supposed to have. Well, why doesn’t good ole Uncle Andy tell what they are instead of alluding to them? He can’t because they don’t exist. I am not saying he is not trying to find some, but the point is they have never been there from day one as claimed. So, you want proof? Then I want you to give proof these revenue streams exist. Name every company from which these revenues will be paid to ASD. As for the CD’s, you have got to be kidding. Let’s just say the YouTube videos are a higher quality than these CD’s. Speaking of which, how many did you buy? How many are the faithful buying?
So if Andy is such a visionary, then why is he not selling company merchandise at all these rally’s? Gee, guess good ole Uncle Andy missed the boat on that visionary idea. That one was a freebie, but I have a lot more ways Uncle Andy could be making money from his rally’s, but I am not going to reveal them. Besides, he is such a visionary and astutue businessman he would know what they are. Visionary my armpit. Astute businessman, well he got part of the astutue right.
Uncle Andy would have better luck using the money he is wasting hiring all these attorney’s and put them into really solving all his business problems. This notion that his threats of lawsuits are sending chills down the spines of those who are posting against his business model is a joke. There is a magic word in a lawsuit and it is called “Discovery.” You should look it up and see just how magical this word can be. This just means that if Uncle Andy does sue someone, they have the right to have Uncle Andy provide all his financial records for ASD, and personally. This means all those contracts that have been supposedly signed by all these major corporations that are just dying to do business with ASD have to be presented into evidence. All those sources of revenue streams have to be shown. Now there are a whole lot more things that Uncle Andy will have to bring to the table under the “Discovery” phase of the filing. And then you have this magical part of filing called counter-suit. This is where the filing really gets fun. This means the person Uncle Andy filed against, files against Uncle Andy. Now this one really opens up Pandora’s box. I am still looking to find where this $10 Mill lawsuit was filed against Ron Cook. I mean the believer’s said it was filed, so therefore it has to be true. Because we all know that the believer’s only tell the truth, and of course they are not required to show their proof, we just have to take your word for it. I really hope Uncle Andy did, because he is going to get a lesson in the difference between filing a lawsuit and winning one. Time will soon tell if this is true or if it was just a good line to keep the faithful hyped. Personally I think he was blowing smoke, just like he has been blowing smoke about all these major corporations buying ad space from ASD.
So when is ASD going to show the proof all these other revenue streams are real? All we have heard so far is talk. What you seem to forget is, ASD has to prove it is real, not the other way around.
July 19th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
According to my information, the actual law firm on retainer to file the lawsuits on behalf of ASD is Meshbesher & Spence. If indeed true, look out. This firm is listed as a very prestigious firm. A number of “super lawyers” on staff…this firm is VERY well known in the law practice industry and VERY successful. I myself, am researching the ASD opportunity, and as many have stated, I also know a number of people doing very well with it. I have seen numerous opportunities come and go. This looks to be interesting to say the least. We’ll see what happens. But I’d be careful what I’d say before getting all the facts.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:14 am
Butch:
This is THE Question:
ASD has posted on their website (actually a third party FreeWebs page hosting information for this Multi-Million Dollar cutting edge company) that they brought in $90MM in June.
hxxp://dawnstowers.webs.com/rebateforasd.htm
In order to make a 125% revenue share on that $90MM the company needs to generate $225,000,000 (Notes for the mathematically challenged and the ostrichesque cheerleaders are below).
Please ask Mr. Bowdoin where he anticipates that much income would come from.
It doesn’t matter how much time it takes, that’s just the money to cover the anticipated 125% revenue share just for the those buying in June.
If the answer is that it will come from new advertising packages, in whole or in part, then every single dollar that is used to address that will create a new “liability of $2.50″.
(Yes, I know that it’s not a liability in an accounting sense, but we all know that people aren’t buying incentivized views of their page for $1 each, they are purchasing for the revenue share).
If the answer is from “outside income” then that’s great, but, what revenue sources could possibly create income that is apx. 1/10th the amount of what Yahoo is generating over a similar time period. Yahoo has 124Million Unique Visitors a Month, ASD has 25,000 (Seems a little incongruous to me).
http://www.quantcast.com/yahoo.com
http://www.quantcast.com/asdcashgenerator.com
(Note: The great and powerful AndyB, who’s promising to fully leverage the ASD membership for the benefit of the ASD membership isn’t bright enough to contact Quantcast, one the most reputable website tracking companies in the world, to let them know that ASD accepts advertising. LOL!)
It’s not Greenbackstreet for sure that will provide anywhere near that amount of income. GBS can barely get into the top 100,000 at Alexa even AFTER the announcement to the Powerful (ha!) ASD membership. (Note: Greenback street was basically dormant prior to the announcement and integration with the 120,000+ database at ASD. What a Joke!)
Quancast:
http://www.quantcast.com/asdcashgenerator.com
Alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/greenbackstreet.com
Alexa shows the 90 day moving average for GSB as over 300,000. That’s not visitors, that’s RANKING. And this is supposed to be a “Leader” In online shopping. HA!
(High School kids with summer projects can get better Alexa rankings!)
So, Butch, where’s the dough coming from?
That’s the question to ask!
Sincerely,
AQ
* * * * * * * * * * *
OKAY CHEERLEADERS, I’M GOING TO CUT YOUR OBJECTIONS OFF AT THE PASS:
(1) Yes I know that the funds to pay out the revenue share are not needed immediately because or reinvestment (whoops, I mean repurchase). But, that doesn’t mean the liability doesn’t go away, it just gets bigger. (”And Leo’s Getting Laaaarger.. . ” Name that movie quote).
(2) The math is correct. Get out your crayons and trace on your paper with me.
$90 MM in the door (per the company as noted above)
$90 x 125% = $112.500,000 (Basic math, can’t argues with that)
$112.50MM / 50% = $225,000,000 (whoops, sorry, let make this easier)
In order to be left with $112,500,000 you need to start with $225,000,000.
$225,000,000 x 50% = $112,500,000.
Now, can SlickAndyB generate SOME income from his cheerleading sycophantic membership who is only buying “advertising” for the return?
Sure!
But, can he go from a standing stop to grossing nearly a Quarter of a BILLION Dollars?
Nope, that’s an emphatic NO!
But, Butch, ask him anyway. See how he squirms, changes the subject, tells you there is a miracle in a new black box project.
But, it ain’t gonna happen.
PERIOD.
But ask him anyway, if ya got the guts.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Silverschells, you make some pretty vague accusations about “Uncle Andy’s” business abilities and business in general. I know a manufacturing company (yes, they do exist on our soil) that ran into similar problems (not enough staff, not enough equipment, building too small, not enough “back-up” suppliers etc) when the started…and this is a “traditional” brick and mortar business. They had/have growing pains just like ASD…but on a much smaller scale, and it’s not the first company this gentleman has started. I’m sure he’ll make it though. He is very successful. Maybe you would you like to pass on your “vast wisdom” to him as well? I mean, he must be doing things wrong to have growing pains…right? Like “Uncle Andy”, he must NOT be a visionary…or all of his growing pains would have been avoided. Again, we’ll see what happens with ASD. One way or another, the truth will come out.
July 20th, 2008 at 5:37 am
Very interesting reading. Not to be a snob or anything, but each person’s posts will have more gravitas if they are grammatically correct and checked for typos/misspellings. It’s hard to respect what the poster is saying if it’s not written well.
By the way, it’s LOSE (looz) money, NOT LOOSE (loos)!!!
July 20th, 2008 at 5:40 am
A lot of people just don’t comprehend the volumes of scams permeating the Internet. They just see a smiling old man telling them to join up and they’ll make money and they don’t think to doubt it. Using hype, persuasion and several psychological tricks they snare these people at will.
1. The program will be declared illegal by the FTC.
2. Is not sustainable over the long haul.
There is just no way this thing can survive and/or get passed the FTC for long.
This is progressing so much like all the others.
Huge Growth, Arrogant Management Swimming in Money, Cheerleaders, Bashers, Threats of lawsuits, Promises of Huge Strategic Alliances, Delivery of miniscule wanna be alliances, delayed withdrawals (because of growth), website problems. . .. . .
All similar to companies with similar/identical business models.
Then news will be trickle out to the Feds and the State authorities. Accounts will be frozen, no funds coming in or going out.
ASD will protest that they’ve been wronged, that they’ll fight to the death to prove their innocence and help their thousands of members who put trust in them.
ASD will blame someone, anyone (Remember Charis Johnson blaming Stormpay, the Feds, the Utah TV Station, etc.).
Some very deluded ASD Cheerleader will even try to raise funds for the company’s legal defense.
And, then, alas reality will hit. The frozen funds will remain frozen. Big builders and players will begin to get summons (sp?) word will spread and euphoria of wealth that had converted to fear of loss will morph into panic of legal action.
I can see it plain as day.
May take weeks or even months, but the longer it takes, the more people will be hurt.
July 20th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Excellent reading!
If you REALLY want to make money with this, secure the book rights to “The Rise and Fall…” These discussions are just as fascinating as the absurdity of the company, and all the rallies and cheerleading surrounding it.
July 20th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Meshbesher & Spence
Minnesota Law Office Meshbesher and Spence Personal Injury Lawyer and Attorney in Minneapolis Minnesota.
If this is the law firm that is representing Andy do right then they have a problem as none of their lawyers are registered with the Florida Bar and therefore they can not practice law in the State of Florida. Since Andy Do right’s company is in Florida then he must file his lawsuit here.
Ron:
So if you have something bad to say, better you be able to back it up with evidence or hold onto it until you can prove it.
That statement by you is really funny. Perhaps you need to do some more reading on other forums as those of us that the Cheerleaders have called Bashers have in fact posted the proof to back up our claims (many of the documents produced was from Public Info) and yet it is the so called Cheerleaders and Andy as well that have failed to produce any documentation to support their claims including the picture. I for one drove the 30 miles from my home to the home office and when I was taking pictures so that the Cheerleaders could see what the office looked like I was told that they did not want the pictures shown. When I asked for a copy of the picture that was shown at the Rally in Miami of Andy with the President I was told that it was at the printer. When I asked to go into the office I was told that they were closed.
So, what it all boils down to is that the Bashers have more proof that this is a scam than the Cheerleaders who have no proof that it is not a scam.
Lets look at what has been accomplished by the bashers:
1. More people are now questioning if they made the right choice.
2. People that would have joined are not.
July 20th, 2008 at 9:40 am
“Web 3.0″ (as termed by ASD)…
That must be a synonym for “Site still down”…
July 20th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Yo! Silverschells:
When you copy a post from another forum or blog please have the common courtesy to attribute the author or at least acknowledge that you are reposting information from another location.
Sheeeesh.
AQ
July 20th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
When you hear the question asked, “where does the money come from to pay the members?” and the answer is that ASD uses profits from its other businesses as well as the Ad Cash Generator to come up with its payback percentages, doesn’t a big red flag go off in your head?
It does mine.
Proof does not get any more obvious than this. Ad Cash Generator obviousley does not sustain itself if money has to be pulled from sister businesses to pay the ASD members.
I am not posting to bash ASD members. The truth is I have friends in this business who are very excited about it. The other truth is that my heart is breaking for them, because I know that this business will crumble.
I also know that members are going to the ASD rallys (or whatever you they are called) and meeting wonderful, sincere, positive minded people. And members are listening to excited, sincere people who have made money from ASD.
That’s the power of this kind of scheme. 90 plus percentage of those around you are sincere. Why? Because 2 to 5 percent of them have pulled their money out and gotten a check and even made a profit. These folks are now telling you how wonderful this is. And that it really works. Because it did for them!
This creates trust and excitement in everyone that hears their testimonials. Which causes more and more people to jump in. An irrational exuberance is created. Much like what caused the real estate bubble where I live, here in las vegas.
But I was lucky enough to see it for what it was. I sold my condo at the peak of the bubble, and tried to tell my friends not to buy at the incredibly inflated prices. My ex-girlfriend wanted to buy a house. I tried to convince her not to. But she did anyway, against my advice. I even went with her to the loan officer and argued with the loan officer that this bubble was going to burst. He said I was wrong and told me and her how he is still buying more and more property. He was the professional. Why should she listen to me? Turned out I was right. I’m not bragging. I was simply right.
And I know I am right now.
I feel for all the good intentioned people that are trying to make the big money. I hope you will heed the simple math shown above. Pull out your money now before this thing crashes around you. It will crash. This is not a person being negative. It’s just simple math.
Think about it – the genius of this money making model. Let me ask you this. If you wanted to create your own get rich quick scheme, what would be the best way to get the most money before the scheme crashed?
How about this. Find a way to have your members send you the biggest check they can afford. Now find a way to hold their money for as long as possible before having to pay their profit back to them.
Isn’t this exactly what ASD is doing? They came up with the perfect way to hold your money for as long as possible. They said pay your money for the ad package. So you did. You sent them the check. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors. They tell you “now just keep reinvesting the profits!” “It will build greater and greater.” “You are becoming wealthier as you continue to reinvest and stare at all these ads.” But when it comes down to it, it’s all just a way to hold off paying people back, so they can have more time to get more members, and their checks.
So 3%ish pull their money out and make profits and tell you of their wonderful story, while 97%ish keep their money in, believing they are getting richer and richer.
Pull out as soon as you can my friends. My heart goes out to those of you who do not make it in time.
Everything else aside, it’s just simple math.
July 20th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Oh I have the guts, and I will ask him.
And I have a question for you sir…with all your self portrayed insight, wisdom and knowledge, why haven’t you ask him yourself rather than make vague accusations and innuendos based simply on your opinion?
My final word, have a good day.
July 20th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Well put, Irrational Exuberance! Bravo!
I, too, am a [soon-to-be reformed] member, currently cashing out what I originally put into this program. I’m getting out BEFORE the crash. Let’s just hope that I actually have my checks delivered — they’re also stalling cash-outs, together with drawn-out delivery.
I’m tired of the smoke-screen spin routine.
July 20th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Irrational Exuberance:
Great Post. You nailed it.
And, your empathy for the enthusiastically deluded shows volumes about your character. You you know what’s coming, are trying to warn others to avoid but still feel bad for them when and as it collapses.
Would that there were more people like you.
Oh, and, by the way, GREAT Name.
Mr. Greenspan would be proud.
Whoops, almost forgot to mention, I just found this fun little You Tube info piece about ASD. You’ll enjoy it!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pnLOXZEFT5M
Watch and Enjoy
AQ
July 20th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Thanks Jim Cobb for sticking up for us at ASD. I am glad to be a part of your team. Roughly 95% of internet based business are scams, so you mean to tell that there can’t be 1-3 good ones out there. You people who aren’t even a part of the company and are slandering the business, I call all of you DREAM STEALERS just because you are working your butts off day in and out ,you can’t accept that you can make money this easily. Wow I have a blog everything I write must be true. No, it’s just your opinion.
July 20th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Thanks for the kind words. They are appreciated.
I have heard talk about this company rivaling google as an advertising medium. Let’s look at this for a moment.
I have used Google as an advertising medium in the past. I paid an average of about 6 cents per click to advertise my website.
ASD charges $1 for each time one person views a members website. That’s per VIEW not per CLICK.
I know from my own experience advertising with Google Adwords that a person is lucky to get 1 click per 100 views.
A view means the person saw the ad but did not want to go to the website.
A click means the person saw the ad and was interested so they clicked the ad and went to the website.
So Google charges per click.
and ASD charges per view.
Now if you are ready to do some scarry math and compare ASD to Google, then we must compare apples to apples by converting ASD views to clicks (Google charges per click).
So at 1$ per view, using the very fair formula of 1 click for 100 views, ASD charges about $100 per click.
If this does not show you that the underlying business model is unworkable and that the ads are just a smoke screen, so they can say they offer a service, then I don’t know what more to say.
This is not a viable advertising medium, the advertising is simply a way for them to say they are offering a service for the money that is paid.
Someone above mentioned their daughters website selling some toothbrushes. They forgot to mention the advertising cost was at the very least $100 per toothbrush.
July 20th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
“You people who aren’t even a part of the company and are slandering the business, I call all of you DREAM STEALERS just because you are working your butts off day in and out ,you can’t accept that you can make money this easily”
Who was right? Those that drank the Kool-Aid or the the outsiders that did not?
And you’re right. I do work my butt off. It’s the only way to appreciate the money. Most lottery winners go bankrupt.
I don’t want easy money. I want to work hard and smart and innovate so America stays the great country that it is. America would not be where it is today if the pioneers went after the ‘easy money’.
July 20th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Irrational Exuberance…I’m trying to figure out exactly..your last post. I know you are trying to compare Google to ASD, but it’s not the same. There are no “clicks” because the sites rotate, and you view the sites at random, and each site is guaranteed (according to the info) to be viewed per add purchased (cost $1 per add) The charge is the $1 per view as you stated…but it’s going to be viewed. Period. How much do you think Google would really charge if they new their 100 views (to get a “click” as you describe in your example) received 100 clicks…and then the “clicker” (customer) actually viewed the website for a required period of time? I can assure you, they would charge much more than the $0.06 they charged you. I don’t have a dog in this fight yet…I’m still researching. But you cannot compare a 1% average “click” through (Google) at $0.06 to 100% web site “viewed” at $1. On top of that, I’m not sure what word/s you were using, but I would have been charged $2.57 per click when I went looking.
Again I ask you. What would Google charge if it provided a 1 to 1 ratio to it’s advertisers?
July 21st, 2008 at 9:43 am
D:
For giggles lets say that viewing the same ads over and over again of the same thing does generate some financial gain for an individual. And for all general purposes lets say that the company and Uncle Andy is legit. Why lie about your credentials and especially when you know that they are not true. Did Uncle Andy really think that someone somewhere would not look to see if any of what he was saying was true?
Come on! Everyone is not that much of a sucker…or at least I would hope not.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Jack,
What exactly has Uncle Andy stated himself, that is not true? I’m not saying he hasn’t said something that wasn’t quite true – he may have….I’m asking exactly what HE said (not 3rd party conversations) that was not true, and how do you know this for a fact? Just a question.
July 21st, 2008 at 10:48 pm
D ….Thanks for calling me on my post not being as clear as it could be. I was in a hurry when I wrote it, but I stand behind my conclusion. here’s why ..
A view on ASD is basically equal to a view of my ad on Google. One may say that the view on ASD is more valuable than the view on google because the former is in front of your face for 15 seconds. This is actually a good point, except for one fact. Noone sees my ad unless they are looking for my exact product. in other words they only VIEW my ad “camping tents for sale” when at that moment in time “camping tents” are what they need to purchase.
What would you say is more valuable, an ad for exactly what you want at that moment or an ad someone else hopes you would be interested in.
Therefor, if you follow my logic, a highly targeted ad is, at the very least, of equal value to a random ad or website you view for 15 seconds.
With that said, I am paying less than a tenth of a penny for each view of my TARGETED ad. I would have to pay $1 per view to ASD to advertise to a non-targeted group of consumers.
…to be continued
July 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm
I’ll put it in a Jeff Foxworthy-isms…..
If you’re promising riches beyond belief…you might be a scam.
If you’re using buzz words like ” passive income”…. “ground floor”….”no brainer”…. you might be a scam.
If the founder lives in Florida…..it might be a scam.
If you’ve never met any failures in the business…..it might be a scam.
just food for thought
July 21st, 2008 at 11:02 pm
continuing previous post …
Why do I say less than a tenth of a penny for a VIEW on google? because I pay an average of 6 pennys per CLICK on google. and my stats show that approx 1 out of 100 people who view my ad actually click on it and go to my website.
Now remember that my ad is to a highly targeted audience. If my ad was shown randomly on Google, I would be lucky to get 1 click per 1000 views, which interprets into one interested person per 1000 VIEWers.
Following this logic, perhaps you can see how my numbers concerning ASD advertising costs are actually being generous in ASD’s favor.
to be continued …
July 21st, 2008 at 11:31 pm
I’m sorry but I don’t believe you! You say that you are just sorry for those of us who have been deceived. You don’t know anything, really, about the company or how things work or you wouldn’t make some of the ridiculous statements you have made. And to the one who demeaned the websites that are viewed, I’m not even going to take my time to go back and look up your name because you know who you are, what a jerk you must be. Sorry, but the name fits. My website is very nice and I have a great product, and I’m sure you have never visited my website but just because it is being viewed by ASD members you act like it is worthless.
Let me see, I have been doing printscreen and saving as jpegs alot of the websites as proof of the variety and kinds of people/companies that are advertising on ASD. I think someone already mentioned Delta Airlines, several chiropractors, a pediactric clinic in north Georgia, Vonage, I viewed the Avon lady’s ad, Continental Airlines, a Chevrolet dealer, VMC Satellite dish network, NAPA Auto Parts, LifeLock… I know he advertises on tv, but I have proof if you would like to see it, Landmark Realty, Chase bank, I don’t think they are surfing…hmmm they must be advertising … lots of not-well-known businesses like mine… shall I go on because I have more?
If you really CARE, why not join, for free, get your own back office, and do your research. I did my research. My husband and I were each on our computers for days. Then we went to Miami to make sure before we did anything with our money. What I like is that people who joined a year ago and those who join today earn the same percentage each day. They don’t earn a higher percentage because they got in first. I don’t know what you call that but I call it fair. Good night.
July 22nd, 2008 at 6:56 am
tick-tock…
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:42 am
“…proof of the variety and kinds of people/companies that are advertising on ASD. I think someone already mentioned Delta Airlines,…”
This is how rumors get started.
July 22nd, 2008 at 11:16 am
Pawel, me thinks you need to do some growing up, get out of your mother’s basement and away from your computer for a while and experience life a bit before making all these unsubstantiated claims. In other words get a friggin life buddy!! I feel more sorry for you than the people who may or may not be getting scammed!
Good day, pasty white boy……….
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:07 pm
As a fellow human being, I’m totally embarrassed for all the people who can’t see all the scam signs associated with ASD. I really believe that many of them actually know it’s a scam but they’re trying to make as much money as possible before everything comes crashing down.
There was a similar scam perpetrated by phoenixsurf.com last year that was shut down by the SEC. Would any of you ASD Einsteins like to explain what makes ASD any different or would you rather keep your heads in the sand like a pack of ostriches and continue taking the money from naive future participants?
I can’t wait for the SEC to shut down ASD. I also can’t wait for IRS to take the list of participants and start auditing them because you can be sure that many of these participants are the type of people who cheat all over their tax returns.
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Irrational Exuberance,
Understood (camping tents for sale). However, when not “looking” for camping tents (because you have never thought about camping) you may not even know this product exists. You get no exposure to people unfamiliar with camping. So your market is limited (you are using a “target” market approach only). Now that said, that is fine, that may be worth the $0.06 you paid. With ASD, you have a guaranteed market of views (targeted-so to speak) because they have to look at the site. Included, you also have the added effect/benefit of seeing “camping tents for sale” and…shazam! You have now informed a viewer/customer about your product and then they in turn may indeed become a pure “target”. It’s kinda like a “two-for-one”…at a cost of $1. Again, when I went looking, clicks for my target were $2.75, much more than $1. I have enrolled in the program (for free, no ad packs purchased) to indeed REALLY investigate. The ads I have seen deal with numerous other products or services I had NO IDEA existed. Of course, some are junk mail type adds/sites. But hey, there definitely are some advantages to this system for getting products out there into the market. The “money” deal is obviously the biggest question. If they can hold on long enough to get some major players advertising, they very well could be huge. There are a number of ways they can indeed be financially sound. But the proof will be in the pudding I guess.
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Irrational Exuberance,
One additional note. Think of the number of websites that have NO shot of being found by a possible customer in the Search Engines because they don’t “rank” high enough. Other than knowing the exact URL, they don’t have a shot. ASD gives them a shot. Again, for a $1, that doesn’t sound like a bad idea. Example. I advertise on-line in “Yellow Pages”. I paid $35 month for 12 months = $420 per year. I received 3 actual “views”. Now that is $140.00 per view, and no sales were made. That is a loss (advertising wise) of $139 per view when compared to the same $420.00 on ASD. I would have receive 420 views. If 1% of the views buy (average) that is 4 times as many sales as I had with yellowpages.com. This MUST be taken into account ADVERTISING wise.
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Ginny,
Please…give me a break. There are some question on a number of aspects of ASD. But let’s not start calling all involved crooks. There are differences between ASD and the others you list. Why don’t you look into it yourself. By the way, according to the “fine print” of ASD, the rebates/bonus’s can be terminated at any time. Now, that said, the model is questionable when doing the math, however, there are many ways to “skin a cat”…legally mind you. As I have stated over and over, we’ll see.
July 22nd, 2008 at 5:42 pm
D, do tell. …
Enlighten us to at least a few of the ways to skin this cat.
According to the company they brought in $90MM in June. To pay the 125% and the 50% for admin overhead they need to generate $225MM sometime over the next few months.
h**p://dawnstowers.webs.com/rebateforasd.htm
That’s nearly a quarter of a BILLION Dollars.
Yes, that’s B for BILLION.
Sorry, you’ll need to sell a boatload of ebooks and have every man woman and child in ASD spend $10,000’s at GreenBackStreet (that’s a whole ‘nother story in itself. LOL) to make even a DENT in that cash flow need.
And, yo, Einstein, as soon as the revenue share decreases or, heaven forbid, STOPS, there won’t be ANY new purchases.
Who in their right mind would pay a $1 a hit.
There are DOZENS of traffic exchanges where you can buy incentivized hits to your site for $.01 – $.05.
Why pay a buck?
Math Never Lies.
AQ
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Kaboom!…
Bring out the lifeboats!…
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:30 pm
So I typed in the address (3415 Yanceyville St, Greensboro) of Robert F Garner (ASD’s “prestigious” attorney) into Virtual Earth, and lo and behold the aerial view showed nothing but a bunch of trees. Every other active address on that street resulted in the aerial view of a building (i.e., 2715 Yanceyville is a police station). Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.
Also, Garner’s web site ( garnerlawoffice.com ) was created by his own “company” Turning Wheels International, an apparently now-defunct entity. I wonder if he ever offered his web site development skills to Andy Bowdoin (ASD company president). Maybe that was the reason that Andy went all the way to North Carolina; he was killing two birds with one stone by finding the one person in America who would be able to not only handle the complex legal issues of what will supposedly become the biggest Internet “advertising” company in the world, but also handle the web site issues that would arise from its anticipated immense growth.
Nah! If Garner was in charge of the ASD Internet access issues, I’m sure that ASD wouldn’t be having all the problems it’s been experiencing lately.
I’m beginning to get an idea what the F in Robert F. Garner stands for.
I already figured out what ASD stands for as it relates to the get-rich-quick “investors”: Another Stupid Decision.
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:14 pm
The cautious way to do the program is to keep taking out the 1% rebate and have it sent or mailed to your bank account til the amount you have in rebates equals the amount you put in. Then after that its frosting on the cake as you reinvest the rebate and watch it grow. Then if ASD gets shut down your not out. Point being get your initial amount out as quick as possible then the rest is free money excepting the taxes you have to pay.
July 22nd, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Ask Questions some of the stuff comes from my blog and who CARES where it comes from as long it is out there.
is that the only comeback you got.
geeezzz!!
July 22nd, 2008 at 10:22 pm
ASD is awesome and will be around for a long time!!! Great Company w/ Great people!!!!!!
July 23rd, 2008 at 1:31 am
All of the problems ASD is having “growing pains” reminds me of when AOL first started and it was IMPOSSIBLE to get online because they were so backlogged with customers and not having the technology for what they were trying to do. Not enough employees, etc.
It also reminds me of Ebay when it was just a beginning trickle in the water.
It reminds me of my first Cell Phone that never worked or constantly had dropped calls and lousy billing issues. I swore that technology would never work.
Hmmmmm…..
July 23rd, 2008 at 1:32 am
Ask Questions,
Well, geez lets see. I’m currently earning 3.5% monthly on certain investments I’ve made…lets see, I make 3.5% on 90 million (your numbers posted for ASD for June) and pay out 1% on $45 million…yeah that’s never gonna work (sarcasm). Yes, I’m aware of the “other” expenses that ASD has to run it’s operation, but they also have other streams of income that do not included ad packs. What all of them are, I’m not privy to. However, they do have monthly fees (per advertiser) of between $10 and $100. So multiply that by the 100,000 + members and you can pay some pretty hefty expenses right there. I wish you were this passionate about Banks. YES banks. That is the largest LEGAL scam in the history of the world (insurance running a close second). Quick example of the REAL scam. You go to your bank and deposit a check for $10,000.00. The bank enters $100,000.00 as available to loan. Did you catch that? NOT $10,000.00 that you actually deposited…BUT $100,000.00. GET the REAL scam now? Let me help you…the bank claims an additional $90,000.00 of money to LOAN out and CHARGE interest on after you actually deposited ONLY $10,000.00. Talk about FREE MONEY. The $90,000.00 doesn’t even exist!!! And the banks get to charge interest on the “invisible” money when they “loan” it out to someone else!!!! This is called ‘fractional banking”. NOW that is a SCAM. And everyone wants to worry about ASD….good God, advertise your business with it (I would not suggest using money you can’t afford to lose – basic logic there) get your money back out, then see where it goes. It may make it, it may not. But don’t talk to me about scams until you know what a scam really is.
July 23rd, 2008 at 1:40 am
I have created my own massive advertising cash generation system. It works something like ASD, but better. Anyone want to join?
Here are my credentials:
I will give you 30% of your downline membership fees.
1) I received a medal of honor from the President.
2) I received a medal of honor from the Vice President.
3) I received a medal of honor from the Secretary of State.
4) I have more integrity than you can imagine.
5) My dog has even more integrity.
6) I will pay you 200% in rebates.
7) I will keep 50% of your money for myself.
9) I will give you 15% of your 2nd level downline membership fees.
10) I will allow you to advertise your site for $0.99/page view to 100,000 people (way better than advertising to millions via Google, Yahoo, or MSN for much less money.)
11) I am an ace software developer so you can be assured the system will be up 24×7x365 and be super fast.
12) I have excellent math skills, but we don’t need to abide by no stinking math rules! We just need to believe!
If you want to be a member of this exciting opportunity that is growing exponentially by the day, let me know.
The only thing is that if you talk trash about me and/or this opportunity, I will sue you faster than you can say “Cha-Ching!”
So, who wants to stick in $10K?
July 23rd, 2008 at 6:58 am
ASD SYSTEM UNDERGOING UPGRADE
“After many days of preparation the new foundation for the ASD Web program is being prepared to come on-line as you read this. For now, the ASD Version 1 Web program will sit on this new foundation. The creation of Version 2 will occur in the weeks to come and will be placed on this foundation when completed. We are working through the night to get this evolution accomplished as early as possible tomorrow, Tuesday, July 22, 2008. The technical staff of ASD have been working very hard to reach this point and are very excited about this first large step. Thank you for your patience.
ASD Management.”
Yawn…
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:13 am
Yeah, you guys, I would rather put my money in the “safe” Stock Market which has been going down hill for the past two years. My accounts there are less now than they were two years ago.
Yeah, I would rather put my money in the banks that “GWBush” used our tax money to bail out and the latest news is that several more are going under.
Yeah, I would rather put my money in housing properties which has lost how much money in the last two years? And get caught in the interest scheme that the lenders are doing that is causing thousands of people to lose their homes and go bankrupt as I speak.
Any other smart suggestions out there about how to invest? Which bank did a previous poster suggest I put my money in? Is it one of those that are going under?
Hmmmm….. In my opinion, ASD poses no more risk that some of the “accepted” forms of investing so I am going to give ASD a shot! As many of you have said, time will tell.
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:21 am
Lewis,
Are you guaranteeing EACH website viewed on Google, MSN, Yahoo etc the “millions of hits” for the less money you claim? Now you’re just being stupid. There is RISK involved here, no question. If it makes it, great, if it doesn’t, lesson learned. Maybe you missed my 12 month “yellowpages” example ($139 per view and no sales). Let’s me see here. Yellowpages tells me I’m going to increase my business by spending money with them. Obviously, they lied, and it’s a scam. Those must be the facts. I was ripped off for $420.00. I could have put that into ASD and received 420 hits. Even if it fails, I know I’ve been viewed 420 times. That’s WAY more than I can say for yellowpages.com…and they are still in business. The rebates are just a bonus in my view.
July 23rd, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Anyone that says they are just using ASD to advertise and that the rebate is just bonus is either dumb or a liar.
99.99999% of the people are getting into this thing to make money off the system and their downline, not through the ‘advertising’. Most are running out to get a website built to sell toothpicks or pet rocks.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:56 am
O.k. ASD members, at your next meeting ask if the company has ever changed names. If so ask why and how many times. I would think the answers will not come with much logic. I have many friends in this deal and they keep coming to me asking why I won’t join. I would love to believe it’s real but I simply can’t ignore the ponzi flavor to ASD. Please save the canned rebuttals and give me real life experience with ASD.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:47 am
EVERYONE MUST READ!!!!
well…before I put Pawel and his cohort Lewis to shame, I wold so eloquently ask them to do me, and every intelligent individual on here a simple favor…When I read through each and every one of your delusional and border line psychotic views about ASD, I find myself wondering if either of you actually know how to read and write; or if someone you know, has taken pity on you, and has simply taught you how to copy and paste on the device you find yourself glued to at all hours of the day. AKA-you have no life:).. However, the point of this response is not to insult, but I feel some retribution was necessary for the infantile comments and debate skills that you have both seemed to have mastered. Before I go further, I would like to reiterate this favor I am asking of both of you. As you are making your assumptions of ASD and the character of Andy Bowdin, I invite you to grow some balls, as your father told you, and quit beginning each degradation as YOUR OPINION. Only then shall we all see the validity, or maybe stupidity, of your arguments. Validity in the sense that if you were able to back anyone of your statements with REAL FACTS (which you have not), and stupidity in the sense of the up and coming compliance department making your life a bit unpleasant.. and believe me, we would all testify to your ignorance and be in full support of a suit against both of you. I know you two have nothing better to do, but just taking the time out of my day to refute your radical insanity has given me a reason…..
Now on to my FACTS…. and because you don’t understand the meaning of the word, I would invite you to grab a dictionary before you proceed. That is, if you can read, as stated before……OH…and to the first Lewis that posted on this blog…you clearly know nothing of internet advertising to say that it is rape for the cost of ASD’s advertisements…You would think that just by hearing people on here say that they are getting many leads from ASD, this alone should quite your mouth, but no….you must continue to say it is rape…lololo…go to yahoo, google or any of the major search engines and look for ways to generate traffic to your website; sign up, pay them a couple hundred and then see how your previous statements make you look like a child when you see the amount of leads you get from those company’s….and there are hundreds of them…trust me, I have tried many. But unlike skeptics like yourself, I have many funds to partake in these ventures to find the ones that actually work, like ASD!!
ASD Legality Statement
LEGALITY STATEMENT Presented by Mr. Robert Garner, Attorney at Law, Chief Legal Counsel for Ad Surf Daily, Inc.Garner Law Office – P.O. Box 13002 – Greensboro – NC – 27415 – USA
Introduction
My name is Robert Garner, and I am an attorney and the principle owner of the Garner Law Office in Greensboro, North Carolina. At our Law Office we specialize in corporate, business and real estate law, and my firm represents Ad Surf Daily, Inc., or ASD, which is Andy Bowdoin’s company that operates the Ad Cash Generator business opportunity.
To give you some of my background as an attorney, I am a graduate of the Law School at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and I’ve had thirty years experience as a North Carolina licensed attorney. I have handled everything from first degree murder cases to million dollar construction litigation. But for the past twenty years, I have primarily represented corporations and security houses, such as stock brokerage firms and investment firms.(
Our work includes the handling of public stock offerings, negotiating complex mergers and acquisitions, and the preparation of filings for the Securities and Exchange Commission, also known as the SEC. In case you don’t know, the SEC is a regulatory branch of the US Government created by Congress to protect investors from fraud and other abuses.
In addition to myself, we have other attorneys in our offices who are dedicated to this work with Andy and his company, and who are available at any time to deal with issues as they arise. We are working daily to advance the business plans of Andy’s entire organization, and we are moving forward in a number of positive directions which will benefit everyone involved.
LEGALITY CONCERNS
Now, I want to address the concern that new ASD members sometimes have in the area of the legality of the Ad Cash Generator opportunity. And for the record, I can say that there is no litigation, no threatened litigation, or even any inquiries from any regulatory body about ASD or the Ad Cash Generator opportunity.
Everyone at my law firm understands Andy’s sincere commitment to honesty and integrity in all aspects of his company, and we have given those values the highest level of importance in all our activities as his legal counsel. For the past 2 years now, Andy has directed us to ensure that his company is structurally sound today and tomorrow and far into the future. My staff and I are dedicated to Andy’s vision that his company will continue to rapidly grow bigger and stronger, and will continue to be an industry leader in Internet advertising in the years to come.
LEGALITY OVERVIEW
Now, here is an overview of what ASD and the Ad Cash Generator income opportunity program are doing from a legal viewpoint:
ASD and the Ad Cash Generator opportunity provide businesses a way to advertise on the Internet. It allows them to purchase page views, where their ads can be seen by the general public. At this time, Ad Cash Generator is offering rebates to purchasers of advertising. These rebates function something like “loss leaders” in that advertisers are presented a way to earn their money back, plus a little more, in addition to having their ads viewed on the Internet. If you are not familiar with this business term “loss leader”, it is when a product or service is sold at a very low price or at a loss for the purpose of attracting customers to a retail store.
Not everyone qualifies for the rebates, but for those who do participate, it is a great opportunity for them to expose their Websites to the public, and earn back some of the cost. I should tell you that like all rebates, this offer may be withdrawn at some time in the future, and the opportunity will be gone. However, the special offers will be honored for all who do participate at this time.
These ASD programs are open to everybody. ASD had a program to allow businesses to place ads on the ASD site for viewing by the general public without cost. For others who are seeking wider exposure, there are “ad packages” available for purchase which will guarantee greater numbers of page views, as selected by the advertiser. It is for those people that a rebate program is available now, to recover their cost, and perhaps earn some additional money. As ASD grows and develops, this program may change and improve as well.
COMPANY OPERATIONS
Now, I would like to go over some legal and operational information about ASD as a company.
ASD is incorporated, pays state, federal and all other taxes, and complies with all laws and regulations that apply to it. It provides its contact information, including its physical location, on the Internet. It has customer service representatives who are responsive to customer calls. The customer service representatives are not offshore, they are right here in the United States. To provide even better customer support, ASD has implemented a “ticket” system to allow inquiries via its website, and answers every one within 24 hours, Monday through Friday. The goal is to have zero customer complaints.
In addition, ASD is continuing the expensive work of improving back office operations, so that everything will run more smoothly for everyone. And, as I stated before, there are many other exciting things coming in the future that will benefit everyone involved with the ASD income opportunities.
ASD and its related companies are not selling stock, nor are they seeking investors. Should any of the related companies elect to do so in the future, strict adherence to SEC and state regulations would be observed. At this stage, a stock offering to the general public, in compliance with SEC regulations, is at best only in the talking phase. There are no concrete plans for this right now.
If ASD or its related companies were to offer shares of stock, they would be required to file a registration statement with the SEC. If ASD, or anyone, anywhere were to offer a “security,” which is defined as an investment opportunity, to US citizens, the offering would need to be first approved by the SEC before being legal. The ASD rebate program is designed to respect these regulations. It is not an investment opportunity, and should not be considered as such. ASD is seeking to build up its base of subcontractors who will continue to sell Internet advertising for them, even after the rebate program ends and is replaced with something even more exciting and beneficial. ASD also wants to acquire information about companies that will continue to purchase advertising on the Internet in the future, and ASD is willing to pay for that information through the rebate program.
Because of the rebate program, some people have asked if ASD or the Ad Cash Generator income opportunity is a “Ponzi” scheme or a pyramid. A Ponzi scheme and/or a pyramid are illegal, because they use money from new investors to pay the first investors in the scheme their promised returns. When the base of the pyramid stops growing, the pyramid collapses. While ASD commits a portion of its future revenues to pay rebates, it does not guarantee a return, and the time it takes to earn rebates is affected by the revenue stream in the future. Not everyone elects to participate in the rebate program, and not everyone will earn rebates.
ASD’s Ad Cash Generator business model is not dependent on a base that continues to expand. Plus, ASD is developing other revenue sources constantly. Even more important, the rebates are fixed, and will allow the participants to only earn a set amount, and that amount is based on performance. There is no continuing obligation to pay returns to infinity, as in illegal pyramid programs. Because of these major differences, the Ad Cash Generator business opportunity is not an illegal “Ponzi” scheme or pyramid, and it is not in violation of any SEC laws or regulations.(CAN YOU READ PAWEL?????)
As the founder and president of ASD, Andy envisions a day in the near future when the company will operate as a premier distributor of Internet advertising, utilizing the information now being acquired to market its services. We understand that Andy’s goal is to follow the example of other broad based companies such as Amway and Avon, and to use the methods they developed to become a recognized leader in providing Internet marketing services.
FURTHER LEGAL QUESTIONS
If anyone has legal questions about the Ad Cash Generator opportunity, I have provided this Legality Statement on the ASD Website that you are now reading. If you cannot find answers to your questions here, you should contact the staff at ASD, or submit a ticket for a written response. For more complex legal or regulatory questions, we ask that you have your attorney contact us for more detailed discussions, and we are happy to take such calls at 336-621-3890. Note: We will only take these legality question calls from licensed attorneys, so please have your attorney call us, not you. (THEY GIVE THEIR NUMBER YOU CHILD)
In closing I want to assure you that as a licensed attorney for the past 30 years, I know there is no such thing as a free lunch, meaning you can get paid money for doing nothing in exchange. But, at the same time, I do believe that opportunity still exists, and that steady work and dedication can pay off. We know that ASD is committed to creating an environment where these opportunities can be found, opportunities to earn the money necessary for the challenging economic times ahead and for those who want to achieve even higher long term goals to live a life with much more financial freedom and security for them and their families.
We wish everyone involved with the Ad Cash Generator great success, and we will do our part to help make it happen.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Silk, posting a legal statement from a company doesn’t mean much. It’s like testimonials. What company in their right mind would post negative testimonials?
You should join my massive cash generation system. The payouts are better. (Well, for as long as I can sustain them anyhow).
July 24th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Apparently not many people actually DO due diligence, but simply refer to other people who CLAIM they did due diligence when, in fact, their own confidence lies solely in promotional tactics and opinions.
The so-called “Presidential Medal of Distinction” that’s gotten so many ASD members so excited about Andy Bowdoin… it doesn’t exist.
What DOES exist is the Congressional Medal of Distinction. Andy Bowdoin may have gotten one of those from President Bush, but before you get all hot and sweaty about it, an explanation is in order. A Medal of Distinction is awarded by President Bush at the banquets of the National Republican Congressional Committee, and it’s awarded to every large contributor to the campaign of any Republican Congressional candidate.
Numerous people, all large contributors, get the Medal of Distinction every year from the RNCC… Bush gives it to them at one of the banquets.
In short, if you want to donate $1000 or more to any Republican candidate for Congress, then you’ll be given your invitation to an RNCC banquet and President Bush will award you a Medal of Distinction too.
And of course, with the credibility of that distinction prominently displayed on your resume, and no one bothering to investigate what that distinction actually implies, then you can create your own internet Ponzi scheme.
I’ve been involved in Network Marketing and/or MLM (your choice) for over 20 years and made millions of dollars in the industry (yes indeed, I’m very serious, and yes, my money was made in legitimate companies), so I feel completely comfortable in my opinion that ASD will eventually be shut down as a Ponzi scheme or pyramid scheme. Memory fails when I try to recall the number of very similar — but non-internet — schemes like ASD that I’ve seen closed down by regulators over the years, but I’ll give you a ballpark estimate — ALL of them.
I recall one in particular that gathered hundreds of thousands of members, and lots of those members were touting the fact that such-and-such local judge was involved, or such-and-such assistant Attorney General was also a member — which they WERE… they got suckered too — but all of them were closed down as the money started tightening up with the increasing number of members, and when the complaints started flowing into various Attorneys Generals around the U.S.
They all reach a tipping point at which payouts to all the members become literally impossible. And the last people, or the nearly last people, all lost every cent of their money when the AGs or the SEC legally froze the bank accounts of those schemes.
Now, if Mr. Garner would like to sue me for my opinion, or over historical facts, then he’s free to do so, but he’d be hard-pressed in this case… and we would certainly file for discovery too, so ASD would have to open their books… if any. I’ve kept the same superb law firm on retainer for almost 30 years, so they’d probably enjoy the exercise. It’s been about 15 years since the last time I was sued, which we won very easily and then filed a countersuit… and won again. Might be interesting.
Perhaps those of you who highly tout Mr. Garner might be enlightened by the results of a corporate background search in the state of Nevada… do some actual due diligence.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I just saw this on another blog. It was posted by ASDinvestigator.
For those of you who have poked holes in ASD and tried to warn their cheerleaders that this situation is no more than a glorified Ponzi scheme, you can rest easier. Be assured that the SEC and other appropriate authorities have been properly notified and are conducting a thorough investigation as we speak.
For those of you who naively just began participating in ASD, it would be prudent to withdraw as much of your initial “investment” as you can as soon as possible before the Hammer comes down or you will never see any of it again. If you leave it “invested”, you will also be put on various future “watch” lists on which the earliest members of ASD have guaranteed themselves a place, and a highlighted one at that.
ASD is substantially the same type of “business” as phoenixsurf.com which got busted last year (do yourself a favor and google phoenixsurf.com and SEC). The same result is inevitable despite ASD’s efforts to spin their activity into something else and misrepresent facts (such as Bowdoin starting numerous companies without mentioning that they all failed, and Garner being a SEC attorney, to which the SEC will not take too kindly).
The opinion of the proper authorities is what ultimately rules just like with the phoenixsurf.com ruling. It doesn’t matter what the cheerleaders say here or what they say on the other ASD discussion sites. In fact, I’m sure that the proper authorities prefer the cheerleaders to continue posting and identifying themselves so that the roundup becomes more like shooting fish in a barrel.
It doesn’t matter how much sugar you put on spoiled food; no matter how good it tastes as it goes down, it’s still spoiled food and you will get food poisoning.
Consider yourselves warned.
The cheerleaders and ASD opponents may wish to copy my words and post them at the other ASD sites. It will be worth your effort if even a few naive lambs are prevented from being led to the slaughter.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
If anyone wants to learn how to “Blog your way into a lawsuit” , Please copy this forum.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Quote: here is a magic word in a lawsuit and it is called “Discovery.” You should look it up and see just how magical this word can be. This just means that if Uncle Andy does sue someone, they have the right to have Uncle Andy provide all his financial records for ASD, and personally. This means all those contracts that have been supposedly signed by all these major corporations that are just dying to do business with ASD have to be presented into evidence. All those sources of revenue streams have to be shown. Now there are a whole lot more things that Uncle Andy will have to bring to the table under the “Discovery” phase of the filing. And then you have this magical part of filing called counter-suit. This is where the filing really gets fun. This means the person Uncle Andy filed against, files against Uncle Andy. Now this one really opens up Pandora’s box. I am still looking to find where this $10 Mill lawsuit was filed against Ron Cook. I mean the believer’s said it was filed, so therefore it has to be true. Because we all know that the believer’s only tell the truth, and of course they are not required to show their proof, we just have to take your word for it. I really hope Uncle Andy did, because he is going to get a lesson in the difference between filing a lawsuit and winning one. Time will soon tell if this is true or if it was just a good line to keep the faithful hyped. Personally I think he was blowing smoke, just like he has been blowing smoke about all these major corporations buying ad space from ASD.
So when is ASD going to show the proof all these other revenue streams are real? All we have heard so far is talk. What you seem to forget is, ASD has to prove it is real, not the other way around.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Lewis,
My site will still receive 1 view per $1. So from an ADVERTISING perspective, it is more valuable than my yellowpages.com add ($139.00 per view). That my friend, IS NOT A SCAM. And yes, the REBATES are a BONUS from an advertising perspective. By the way, for all, the latest “Attorney/Lawyer” ad “click” charge is about $65.00…on the “other” search engines (can you guess which one?)…that’s $65 for EVERY click. No matter what happens to ASD, it’s a better deal advertising than what I’ve had before.
July 25th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
JCADAMS:
Well said!
July 26th, 2008 at 1:48 am
D,
That’s all fine and dandy, but where does the extra 25% come from?
GoDaddy affiliate? Nope.
Fortune 500 Companies advertising? Nope.
Google adclicks? Nope
New people coming into the ponzi? Yep!
Look, I know of people puting thousands of dollars into this thing and they are scrambling to get a website made to ‘advertise’. It’s a joke. They just want to get in for the downline and rebate money. The advertising is just going through the motions. They are the rule, not the exception. The exception is people actually doing this to advertise.
If I didn’t know this from personal experience, I wouldn’t be posting all these things on this forum.
And, the $65.00 ad is for a CLICK not a VIEW. Big difference.
ASD is not targeted advertising. It’s nepotism advertising.
My program claims 200% rebate. Want to join?
If you think 200% is outrageous, why is 125% not outrageous?
There is no difference mathematically, after 100%. And if asd is keeping 50% off the top, you’re already out 50% without even blinking an eye.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:20 am
I just spent the last 2 hours (off & on, I do have a family) reading all of the July entries. Does anyone think that the “warnings” to people and companies could be causing a problem? You (the negative people) are creating doubt in peoples minds. Companies who may have been considering advertising with ASD may not want to. You (no I don’t mean you alone) could be causing the company to fail. Example: Lets say I have a company and I am considering advertising with ASD. I decide to do some research and find this sight. After reading all this “information” I decide to not use ASD’s services. Now what if 100 companies read this and are swayed to not advertise with ASD. Even if only half don’t. How many blogs are out there bashing ASD. Do you understand what I am saying? Now ASD has to stick money into keeping their reputation up so the larger companies don’t stop advertising with them. Do you have to bash to get the facts out? I like to hear the facts / arguments each side but I had to cut through all the other garbage to do that. It is like reading a soap opera. Could you people please act your age? (obviously I am not talking about everyone who wrote on here.)
July 27th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Lewis,
You may be right, most may be “scrambling” for a website. That has never been my point. As a matter of fact, I saw a MySpace page as an ad on ASD (I joined for free to check it out). As I said earlier, I’ve seen many products and services I was unaware of before – and there are some “junk” sites as well (myspace). Is it about the money, mostly yes. But let me give you another example of “people in it for the money” only. The scam that is Ethanol in fuel. You wouldn’t have ANY “investors” if it wasn’t being subsidized (the lure of “free” money) by my tax dollars. Rest assured Lewis, there would be NO ethanol in fuel (or gas stations carrying it) if it was NOT mandated by law as it currently is in some states. It can’t stand on it’s own….the same claim you make about ASD (easy money). It’s a risk, like any other “investment” (any time you place money for any reason to improve your business I consider an investment – and advertising is an investment), and you could lose….aka, like my yellowpages ad.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
I have been reading these forums for the last 3 months. And everyday after reading, I ask myself, Why? I was told a long time ago by a great friend, who is very well respected and successful in the internet business, to never ever go to forums or blogs. It’s a waste of time and all it is is a bunch of bickering. I, of course, didn’t listen, because I wanted to know what people were saying about ASD. And he was right. These are a waste of time..
I can’t believe how angry some of you are about a business you aren’t even in. Or about a man you personally do not know! No, I don’t know him either. But my god, you all sound like High Schoolers in a shouting match!
I just don’t understand why those who aren’t in the business or affiliated with Andy, in some way, are even on this Blog. Why are you getting so angry about something that doesn’t concern you? Why is this your business? Why is my business, your business? Are you bored? Lonely? If you aren’t in ASD, Why do you care so much? What is making you so angry? It’s not your money! It’s not your business! If you are so angry about other peoples business, then you definitely need to find a hobby.
Do any of you run a business? I don’t know how! You’re constantly worrying about everyone else’s business
I can’t believe responsible, respectable, and probably decent business Men/Women, are bickering back and forth about who’s right or wrong. We are grownups, right? And I know there are many out there who feel they need to be the first, to find the worst about some one or thing and tell the world first and be the Truth Seekers who will change the internet for the better!! Whether it’s bad or good. I mean who’s to say you are right. So you dug up information and snooped around on someone. Does it make you right? No. It’s actually a little scary and sad, but
Past is Past. When you made mistakes in your past, did that make you a bad person? No.
What I don’t get, is people come to these forums/blogs looking into and reading about new businesses they might want to get into..Right? They listen to these “Internet Police”, they personally do not know. The “Police” then hype up negativity about a person or business they do not know or have even joined.. Funny thing is, People listen to these “Police”…Crazy.. There are always two sides to a story. Remember that….
Forums used to be informative. Now it’s just a Playground for Business Owners/Marketers, who call each other names, start rumors about the past, gossip about people they personally do not know, and think they are King of the Mountain! Are we in Elementary School or are we running businesses?
I have no respect for a Business Man/Woman who talk bad about others whom they personally do not know. I would not want that type of person as a mentor or a business Partner… It’s all very immature.. .
And those who have bad experiences…Move on! Business can be risky! Your next venture may be your best venture yet!!
So please, go sit in a park, smell some roses, watch children play, smile and think positive! Stay out of these Blogs and Forums that only have negative self doubters who have nothing good to say about anything or anyone.
July 28th, 2008 at 5:48 am
Tina, you are right and I agree with you to some extent. BUT , I made this post just to warn people about this, so they are aware that this is just a money game and some will lose their savings in it. You see my point? I never thought that this post would explode with so much negativity, but I have to approve most of the comments to let people express what they think. I could have just approve comments that agree with me, but I didn’t. I let others defend it and speak what they have to say.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:21 am
To Tina and others of this ilk,
I can’t help but wonder why one would lecture using moral arguments to support their opinions after they joined ASD under the premise of easy money. Do you feel that greed is moral?
Okay, a little slack – it’s human nature. But seeking truth and justice is also in our nature. A good portion of this blog discusses the viability and longevity of the methods used to make money. That is entirely fair. I know personally of one case where a person removed a lot of money from a 401K plan to buy into this.
If a person of morals truly believes that this can’t work, how can this person look the other way? Are you your brothers keeper?
And lastly, yes, some of us run businesses. Even honest ones.
July 28th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Tina: The reason I post and take time reading here on this blog is because the math just simply doesn’t work and I’d like to alert prospective participants of that fact.
What that means is that I know that there will be a lot of people who will lose money. It may not be you, it may not be your referral or their referral, but there will be huge, multi-million dollar loses.
It may not be this week or next week, it might not even be this year, but, the awesome power of compounding will eventually collapse the company.
I’ve written about the math and the logic ad nauseum on this board and others and people, blinded by greed, won’t stop and punch the buttons on the calculator.
The math will eventually collapse the company or, prior to that, the authorities, State or Federal, will shut the company down just like they did with 12DP, 1Heluva, PAS, PhoenixSurf, PIPS and others.
There are unique nuances that slightly separate ASD from those other programs but not enough to keep them from being shut down as unregistered securities with a pyramid sales base or just merely collapsing of their own weight.
Yes, that’s just my opinion but you mark my words, it’ll happen in due course.
I take the time to post so as to hopefully get the attention of a thoughtful prospect who can connect the dots and realize it’s not a sustainable model.
If I can save one person from losing money, my time is well spent.
And, with the reach of the Internet, maybe I can help more people avoid losing.
That’s why I’m here.
AQ
July 28th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
People.
My friend talked to me about joining this ASD. It sound too good to be true.
So I did my research.
First. I checked the corporate licensing of ASD and yes they were formed on May 23 2008 in State of Nevada and register to do business in State of Florida and the register agent is Bowdoin Thomas Jr ( not Andy Bowdoin. )
second, I checked the corporate office at 13 S Calhoun ST, Quincy FL and it is in a teardown condition small RENTAL house owned by Elizabeth Trustee.
( You can go to Gadsden county website to check the owner name and http://www.wikimapia.org
Third, I checked the Golden Panda Ad Builder and here is what I found out.
*** It were form on May 15th 2008
Business Name History
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Name Name Type
Golden Panda Ad Builder Inc. Current Name
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Profit Corporation – Domestic – Information
Control No.: 08039283
Status: Active/Compliance
Entity Creation Date: 5/15/2008
Jurisdiction: GA
Principal Office Address: 4900 Ivey Rd., Suite 820
Acworth GA 30101
Last Annual Registration Filed Date: 7/22/2008
Last Annual Registration Filed: 2008
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Registered Agent
Agent Name: Busby, Jr., Walter Clarence
Office Address: 4900 Ivey Rd., Suite 803
Acworth GA 30101
Agent County:
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Officers
Title: CEO
Name: W. Clarence Busby
Address: 4900 Ivey Rd., Suite 820
Suite 820
Acworth GA 30101
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Title: CFO
Name: Stephanie Dawn Stowers
Address: 4900 Ivey Rd., Suite 820
Suite 820
Acworth GA 30101
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Title: Secretary
Name: Stephanie Dawn Stowers
Address: 4900 Ivey Rd., Suite 820
Suite 820
Acworth GA 30101
Here are the funny parts the Corporate office IS THE THE PIECE OF BARE LAND AT 4903 IVEY RD NW, ACWORTH GA
Correct me if I am wrong the SUITE 820 should be on 6th floor
And according to the COBB county GA tax accessor the land is own by an Asian and no improvement on the property ever recorded (IT IS JUST A PIECE OF JUNGLE)
People. I will put my money in the bank
Good luck to you all
July 28th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
correction
Suite 820 should be on 8th floor of a high rise building
(Account Number: 334011130192 ) account number do not exist
Routing Number (for Wire Transfers): 026009593
Swift Number for International Wires: BOFAUS3N
Account Name: Golden Panda Ad Builder
Bank Name: Bank of America
Bank Address: 4460 Cobb Parkway N, Acworth, GA 30101
I called bank of America to verify the account ( bogus)
July 28th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Tina,
True, some of the people on these forums posting negative comments aren’t ASD members, but some of them ARE.
I am currently a member of ASD and have been since April. I tried performing due diligence from the very beginning but couldn’t find ANYTHING at the time on Andy in regards to his previous businesses. I thought that was kind of strange. But, like so many others, I took a relative’s advice and joined anyway, knowing nothing about Auto Surf programs. When I had questions/concerns I was told they’re experiencing “massive growth” or given vague answers. When I complained, I was chastised and labeled “negative”. It also seemed that the weekly Webroom meetings only contained sales pitches for CDs, infomercials, etc.; another way for me (and other members) to hand over more of our money to ASD.
I heard all the hype about Google, Target, etc. coming on board. I’ve yet to see it. Did you notice the Google “partnership”? It was Adsense. That, in my opinion, does not constitute a “partnership”. It doesn’t matter anymore since the “partnership” has mysteriously disappeared.
The site has been buggy from the get-go. The surfing portion is either slow or locks up. I actually have a tangible product to sell. I’m not going to mention what I sell here, as I am posting a reply rather than trying to drum up business for myself.
I ask you, how does the surfing portion help me sell my product if it’s constantly down? How does this help me if people earn rebates even when no one sees my sites? I looked in my back office (when it was actually accessible) and saw that I had 2,752 views of my site, in addition to 2 other sites I have on the rotator, but not one sale came from those views, which leads me to believe that people aren’t actually looking at my ads; they’re just waiting for their 15 seconds to be up so they can click on the next “color” to get the rebate.
In regards to Andy, ASD put out a blurb referencing how he has devoted so much time to protecting women & children against sexual predators. Why aren’t there any news articles or profiles regarding this from child protection organizations? Why can’t I find anything regarding GPS Tech? It just seems that for someone who is such a prolific businessman & a visionary I would find something about him in a business publication…
I personally think that the “naysayers” are commenting from a perspective of concern for others, not because they just want to “bash” ASD, are jealous of its success or want to be King of the Mountain. They are trying to warn people thinking about getting in to this that it could be a scam. I’m thankful for all the information and FACTS (in the form of documents on file, etc.) they have provided. What if it turns out to be true? What if someone you brought in ends up losing their savings, their house, their friendship and trust in you? I have not brought anyone into this because of all the problems I have been experiencing. I have the right to complain because I AM a member and I HAVE been experiencing problems (no W-9 even though I sent it in; not able to surf; can’t get through on the phone; no response to support tickets, etc.). I for one will be pulling my initial cash outlay of over $1,500 out as soon as I can, IF the site ever starts functioning again and IF they manage to find my W-9. I don’t want the additional 25%, as that represents money that will come out of someone else’s pocket that came in after me. I’ll sleep much better at night knowing that I didn’t benefit from another person’s naiveté. The relative who brought me in has already pulled out his initial cash outlay. He won’t be hurt as the money he’s making now is cream. I, on the other hand, can’t get my money back until it builds up because he told me to just keep upgrading my Ad Packs. If this is a legitimate program I (nor you) have nothing to worry about. If it isn’t, well, I’ve lost my money with a hard (and expensive) lesson learned.
You are correct in that there are 2 sides to every story. My posting represents the other side. I am just one person and am expressing my opinion. I’m also expressing FACTS as they pertain to my experience with ASD. For every person that posts a negative comment, how may others are experiencing the same thing but don’t post?
A final thought: with all due respect, if you believe these forums and Blogs to be so much drivel and a waste of time, there of plenty of other forums where ASD is depicted as equivalent to the Second Coming. Therefore, I ask that you please take your own advice – don’t read the negatives. Go sit in a park, smell some roses, watch children play, smile and think positive!
July 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Micaela,
I support your comments and experiences 110%. I, too, am a member in the process of pulling my money out.
And, I went through the exact same experiences as you did. I researched the company and president, and found nothing outstanding in terms of complaints, business solvency, etc. Later, however, I did find it strange, as well, that for someone touted as a messiah by ASD’s member constituency, there was nothing, nothing available through traditional media channels on or about him; I went through the local and regional libraries (I don’t rely solely on web searches). There’s also nothing, anywhere about his former business dealings.
As for technical problems, I found it — and continue to do so — completely unacceptable to try to work and navigate a non-functioning enterprise website — especially in today’s age! Having worked in the advertising and branding industry in New York for many years (and the last 4 in the interactive arena), it’s extremely insulting for some one to tell me that a company is going through “growing pains”. Any respectable enterprise plans for these contingencies ahead of time. There’s virtually been no reasonable or intelligent customer support, no technical nor intelligent and practical sales training (what exists are canned Excel spreadsheet and amateurish PowerPoint presentations showing hypothetical growth), web sessions and phone conferences that are spotty and buggy, at best, with round-about and vague answers to questions posed — with the use of antiquated conferencing tools.
I’ve gotten a few prospects to join, and they’re still tinkering. But most have laughed in my face after seeing the program: can’t get online, get frozen out, can’t join the spotty web sessions, can’t get straight answers, and so on — in the end, they run the other way!
As for the company spinning other information: I’ve reported on and discussed the “award” Andy received. The ASD website and many of the company’s members would have you believe that he was personally singled out and invited by the White House to receive this medal, when in fact that wasn’t the case.
The “large corporations partnering” with ASD are yet to be found or named. Everyone’s talking about “them”, but absolutely no one can name them nor display concrete partnering intentions and plans.
News is loosely thrown about that Andy has hired the “top internet people in the world” to “retrofit” the existing site into a “turbo-charged” super-site. Please!… Don’t insult anyone’s intelligence.
And, yes, some other forums having created a “cult of personality” revolving around this guy and company. Not very healthy for any enterprise, or society. One of the forums goes so far as to censor and delete any thoughts or comments that may deviate ever-so-slightly from their myopic view of reality — with the added sophomoric support of threats with litigation, to boot — truly amateurish.
All in all, not very impressive. The business model (rhetorically)… I can take or leave. If you’re making money with it (for now), fine, all the best. It’s the overall perception (and impression) that doesn’t sit well.
As for the forums, a lively discourse posing all thoughts and opinions is a very positive (and colorful) thing. These are public platforms (it doesn’t matter if they’re privately posted blogs or other venues; NO ONE owns the right to censorship!); if you’re placing yourself “out there”, you certainly WANT and DESIRE a discussion — ALL sides.
Thank you for the opportunity to post.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Just for your information Setah, you are 100% wrong about the ASD facilities. Care to know why I know?
I was there last Thursday for two hours. Older building yes, remodeled yes. I can’t tell you how many people are working there, but a bunch, can’t tell you how many computer stations but a bunch, can’t tell you how many Dell computers are still in boxes stacked along the walls except it’s a bunch. Met Andy Bowdoin and several of the upper management people. All very cordial, well informed and professional.
I can also tell you your auto GPS will take you to the wrong address as will Map Quest. I used both and had to find it on my own. Next time please check your facts Setah. If you, Pawel, and others are so concerned about everyone else why not just take a trip to ASD and see for yourself. Address your concerns personally to those involved. Then come back and post the simple facts based on your personal experience, not on simple assumption and speculation. That’s what I did and that’s what I’ll base my future decisions in regard to ASD, not the negativity of this blog. I was there and personally saw and met the people and had my questions answered. It never ceases to amaze me the adamant statements supposedly intelligent well informed people can make that can be so wrong when you actually get the facts.
I also made sure the quality assurance people at ASD were aware of this blog and the negativity it has generated. They seemed quite concerned so hopefully they are looking into it and will respond accordingly.
Also I might add I actually met and visited with some the IT people and ASD programmers working day and night to get things up and going. All quite professional and working their tails off. This I saw and experienced myself, personally. It’s not hearsay, etc, etc.
Simple facts folks, nothing more. Be responsible and find your own answers, not let some negative blog influence your decision. Just my two cents.
Butch Tucker
Moultrie, GA
July 29th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
My take on ASD
I put $1000 in ASD. (I can never ask for the $1000 back)
I get approx. 1% a day (six days a week) for surfing a number of sites each day.
I put the 1% or $10 back in by buying ad packages.
After approx. 82 days, I have $2250 in my account (125% of my original amount) , they take away the $1000 original investment and I have $1250 left.
I continue to surf and make approx. 1% each day.
I can take the $12.50 out or buy more ad packages. I continue to purchase more ad packages and build my account up until, I feel I can generate an income I’m happy with.
In about 1 year, compounding =
Current principal is $10617.09
Interest earned on $10617.09 is $10617.09 × 0.01 = 106.17 per day
I am making just over $100 a day.
ASD recommends that we take out 20% and put back 80%
This is not a get rich quickly program!!!
ASD does not promise 1% every day. So far it has been 1% during the week and .5% on weekends (or more)
This is the key to the program and what makes it different from others:
If quite a few of the ASD members decide to take the cash on any given day, then there will not be that much to divide and members will not get 1%
I do agree, that after a few years the daily payments could be huge and “to good to be true”.
BUT, they will not be huge if everyone takes the cash instead of putting more money back in.
That is why ASD can continue for quite a long time.
I may be proven wrong, but I think the system will work and will provide me with a steady income.
ASD has, at this time, 130 000 members ( I believe this could be easily 2-300 000 very soon) visiting their site at least once a day.
How many sites can say the same. I can easily image some companies paying quite a sum of money to advertise on their website. This will generate a great deal of money for our members.
I also believe that ASD couldn’t keep up with the enormous growth which had lead to problems with:
signing up new members, processing their checks, processing payments, and the speed of the site. However, it is in their best interest to create a better site and they are doing just that. It should be ready by the end of this week.
I have been paid when I asked for cashouts and have had all my questions answered. Although very slow at times, because of the incredible growth, ASD has not let me down – not once!!!
July 29th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Questions About ASD
I manage a business with $36 million a year in annual revenue. I understand business models, P&Ls, revenue and expense forecasting, etc. I work with budgets and forecasting every day. I have thoroughly researched ASD’s operating model, and interviewed ASD participants. I contacted ASD’s customer support line, and grilled the woman who answered the phone. After all of this research, I still have questions that no one can seem to answer.
Question 1
Is the sum of ASD’s liabilities less than or equal to its cash on hand? In other words, does the balance of ASD’s bank account exceed the total of all the balances in all the accounts of every single ASD member?
The possible answers / consequences:
A.) ASD has somehow escrowed enough cash to pay every single participant the amount in his ASD account balance, and the company is sound.
B.) ASD is playing with funny money, and a panicked run on the accounts would reveal insufficient funds to cover the total liabilities owed to its members. To put it another way, when ASD claims they have added $60 in rebates to your account, they have only done so on paper. The $60 may not really even exist, and Andy is counting on only a small number of cash-outs each day. Indeed, as long as the number of cash-outs remains low, ASD can fork over the money and cover a small number of withdrawals, and thus maintain the stability of the program. However, a panicked run on a large portion of the accounts, and ASD would be unable to honor all cash-out requests.
If you have money in this, then you have a right to know that ASD can honor your request for withdrawal at any time, regardless of the circumstances under which you are making the withdrawal. ASD is not a bank or investment firm, and should therefore have sufficient cash to cover ALL LIABILITIES AT ALL TIMES.
Question 2
ASD states that 11% of the previous day’s ad sales is allocated to advertising, hosting, site maintenance, administrative costs, customer support and profit. How is it that ASD will be able to scale its expenses to equal 11% of gross ad sales, or less? In business, expenses are most often fixed. The new facility / complex in Quincy, payroll, new servers, other IT infrastructure build-out, connectivity, office furniture, web designers, process writers, trainers, accountants, attorneys, electricity, water, phone bills, and so on, all grow larger in terms of cost as the number of ASD participants grows. These expenses DO NOT go away if ASD has a bad day, week, month, or year.
Hypothetical Example
ASD Operating expenses are $11 million per month, meaning ASD must take in $100 million to pay its expenses. What happens if people lose interest in the program, and ASD only takes in $20 million in a month? The expenses will still be $11 million, but ASD can only afford to pay $2.2 million since the other 89% of the $20 million is already allocated to rebates, commissions, etc.
The possible answers / consequences:
A.) ASD can quickly scale down its expense structure so as not to exceed its 11% expense allocation in any given month. The building is sold, employees are immediately fired, phones are canceled, etc.
B.) ASD begins to run a deficit, and must borrow from a.) the reserve fund b.) its rebate pool, which would mean little to no pay-outs to participants in that month c.) both a. and b. Since rebates are the mechanism of sustainability, participants get mad and withdraw when they realize only a pittance in earnings. Prospects get wind of the weak pay-out, and refuse to enter the program, which further drives down ad sales.
Question 3
ASD states that 50% of the gross as sales are evenly distributed between purchasers of ad packages. How does ASD deal with increasingly smaller rebates that are the result of more subscribers in the program?
Example
DAY 1 – ASD opens with 100 subscribers / ad packages
Day 2 – ASD adds 100 new ad packs totaling $100 in ad sales. Each of the original 100 earns $.50. There are now 200 participants / ad packages.
Day 3 – ASD adds 100 new ad packs totaling $100 in ad sales. Each of the 200 members earns $.25. There are now 300 participants / ad packages.
Day 4 – ASD adds 100 new ad packs totaling $100 in ad sales. Each of the 300 members earns $.12. There are now 400 participants / ad packages.
Get the point? As the member base grown larger, the rebate payment MUST get smaller. At what point do members begin pulling out due to low ROI? More importantly, how does ASD continue to pay a constant rebate to its members, as the member base grows larger?
If anyone has any insight or answers to these questions, please post them here for discussion!
July 30th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
I’ve just spent several hours reading all kinds of posts on several different blogs and I am absolutely amazed! I am not currently a member of ASD but soon plan to be for several reasons. 1.) I have relatives that are in and have only been in for a very short time and are making money hand over fist. They have also met with not only Andy but the entire staff at the Quincy, FL office and have had nothing but great things to say about all of them. 2.) Why should I care where the money is coming from as long as it’s coming? Pawel I don’t think you understand that is life! I could give a rats butt less about some idiot investing his/her life’s savings or whatever if he/she is so ignorant to do so. You never make a bet you can’t cover and yes, I view this as a bet so have fun with that one.
What I don’t understand is why you waste your time caring about what others do with THEIR money when we are plagued with other far more serious issues in America. Why aren’t you picking on the Illegal Immagrants that are taking YOUR hard earned money as we speak or looking at the fact that we may very well be looking at our next President being a Muslim? Or perhaps the rising cost of a barrel of Oil and the Greenhouse effect. Maybe PETA has a opening for you!
Just to sum it up, get a life and pick a worth while cause those does benefit everyone. You offer nothing to substantiate your believes but only want ASD supporters to proof its legitimacy. You certainly seem to have the time, though I question your intellenge level, to do something other than worrying about what people do with their money. Sounds like to me you wish you had some money to invest and since you don’t your just bashing so go ahead and do your thing with this post but before I close;
Rah, Rah, Rah GO ASD,
Rah, Rah, Rah Kick em in the knee,
Rah, Rah, Rah If someone is going to get rich
Rah, Rah, Rah Let it be me!
JUST FOR YOU!!!
July 31st, 2008 at 1:27 am
In answer to “why do I post my comments against ASD?”
It’s very simple, I care about people. I haven’t called anyone names. I know this is a scam. Its not Rocket science, simple math shows this is a ponzi scheme. what more can I say. I wish u all wisdom. and the best of choices.
July 31st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Well, TimH, by calling it a bet you are admitting this is a risk. If you carefully read the posts you would realize that in due time this could and (IMO) will collapse. You’ve seen the math. Because your relatives have made a wad does not mean you will, and why should you care about where it comes from? Because you need to know if your gains, if any, will likely be sustainable, that’s why. Your logic is flawed.
So are your supporting arguments. By saying we should care only about illegal immigration or oil means we shouldn’t care about people losing their hard-earned money to programs like this? That is a deflection, like saying your brother took most of cookies from the jar so you shouldn’t be punished for taking a couple. You can’t get away with this kind of argument in a courtroom and you can’t get away with it here.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:38 pm
I have been playing arond with these ponzi schemes for 4 yrs. ASD is know different then the others. ASD works the same and they are eventually fail.
How does a person explain all the free money that they give away? I know it is the millions of dollars. I remember from the earlier years when some programs where giving away only $10 to join and eventually that was stop because that only hurt the programs. And through the years people where learning what would work and what wouldn’t. And giving out free money was not one of them.
Quote: ASD claims not to be investment, and should therefore have sufficient cash to cover ALL LIABILITIES AT ALL TIMES.
So with all that free money that doesn’t exist how does it work ???
August 1st, 2008 at 11:41 am
Yo, TimH:
Your ostrich like approach to earning online is just amazing!
I quote you:
“2.) Why should I care where the money is coming from as long as it’s coming?”
You need to care because “where the money comes from” will be the money that pays YOU! (Duh!)
So, if you want your 125% you’d better have a good idea where the money comes.
It’s called due diligence, for crying out loud.
Connect the Dots.
AQ
August 1st, 2008 at 3:48 pm
This is my opinion on pyramid business’. Get in early and pull out at the right time and make a ton of money. What I’m doing is… putting some money into ASD, pulling it out right away, with their system i’ll be able to get 100% of my money rebated in about 120 to 200 days. I’ll keep the 25% that they gave me in the system. Now I’m playing with the banks money and I don’t have to worry about loosing my investment. And in the mean time my real estate business is being advertised to their network. It’s not hard to make money in a business like ASD. It’s like investing in the stock market, you gotta know when to get in and when to get out. In am illegal ponzi model there is not product or service. ASD has a service which is great and all but eventually the growth of the company will peak and the rebate will start to decline and eventually go into a negative rebate. It’s simple math. If you want to get into a business like this you need to learn about compounding interest and the growth pattern of a network community.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm
For anyone who hasn’t gone to the ASD web site since about 5:00EDT, you NEED to.
asdcashgenerator.com
August 1st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Look at the site now. Looks like the feds stepped in.
http://www.adcashgenerator.com
August 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
For all of you individuals viewing content in this site, here is an update for you. ASD has been shut down by the Attorney General’s Office (yup in good old Washington DC) for fraud and is being investigated. So say goodbye to all your money ASD suckers!
August 1st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
ASD SHUTDOWN!!
Go to the website.
August 1st, 2008 at 6:41 pm
This is what the site says today of you try to get onto it. They said it would be up and running by Thursday and today is Friday. I got on this mornign and was able to surf sites but then just minutes later I get on and this is the message. I beleive in ASD but this has me confused and I asked my sponsor and still no response
Friday, August 1st 2008 afternoon update:
Upon direction from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the District of Columbia, ASD will not be able to move funds into company accounts, or out of them. We will work to resolve this problem, and return to normal operation, as soon as we are permitted to do so.
ASD Management.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pm
yep they have been shut down check out the site and read what happened hope andy gets the electric chair
August 1st, 2008 at 7:35 pm
The House of Cards Has Collapsed!
August 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm
OK so I was stupid, a good friend talked me into joining ASD so I put $2000 in. But as soon as I did the math on the whole deal I figured out that it was destined to fail. So I started cashing out. Just yesterday I got my last check to equal my original investment (sorry, ad purchase) Today I opened the site to read a message that the Attorny General in D.C. has stopped them from moving any of there funds in or out of there bank. I bet that will shut up the cheerleaders!!!!!!!!
Those of you who think this is still not a scam need to google PONZI SCEME and read what one is, oh I’m sorry you already do you just didn’t know it.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pm
I am excited that this is the first post since ASD was put on hold by the US Attorney’s office of DC. This will shed some light on things for all of you. I will happily address both sides to this blog using comparisons and good ole common sense rather than knee jerk reactions or emotion. ASD certainly has the appearance of a pyramid scheme. Make a lot of money quickly by performing the proper behaviors. It is unfair to compare ASD to 12dailypro. ASD offers 1% on the weekdays and .5% on the weekend and it’s not guaranteed. 12dailypro offered a 12% per day return. That is a huge difference. It is also not fair to compare to some autosurf programs that allow the viewer to get up and walk away while all the websites rotate through automatically. The advertising portion would never work with automatic rotation. The advertising needs to work for at least some of the members for it not to be a scheme. I also understand that not everyone will sell product. When I put an ad in the newspaper sometimes the item does not sell. That does not mean the paper is a scam. At a ASD company rally I attended there were several testimonials of people actually selling product on their website but that does not mean much to me because I don’t know the people giving the testimonial. I don’t believe they were plants from the company but for arguments sake, they could be. My friend Roger has sold several items from his site and I have 6 leads for my product which is Real Estate. I have not sold product yet but I am not throwing up a red flag because in marketing there are steps and it depends heavily on your product. It takes several eyeballs to get a lead and several leads to get a sale. I have a few people in the sales “process”. When I first decided to check into ASD I only put in $100 because I can afford to completely lose it and call it education. I was skeptical because the advertising did not seem like it could work and that is crucial to it not being a scam. After surfing for a few days I saved about 10 sites to my favorites folder. I have entered someone else’s “sales process”. You may have figured out by now I am sold on the advertising.
Now as for the rebates. It still seems too good to be true sometimes. I have been paid “real money” in the mailbox and quite a bit of it. The fact that it is so easy makes it hard to believe. If it stopped growing what would happen to the money? Probably the same thing that would happen to any business. If you work in a restaurant and the customers stopped coming in the business would be in trouble. If everyone went to the bank at one time to withdrawal all their money the bank couldn’t pay everyone(remember Y2K).
Here are some things to consider for both sides of the fence. (B=Bad G=Good)
(B) If ASD ever goes to autosurf(sites rotate automatically with 1 click of the button) consider getting out or not joining. The advertising needs to work for some of the members.
(G) Right now it is not autosurf and I personally know people who have sold products as well as bought products even if I have not.
(B) The website has been down for technical reasons for about 14 days so we are getting no advertising to our sites.
(G) When a company goes from about 17,000 members in April to over 100,000 by the end of July technical glitches are to be expected. No I do not believe you can anticipate that kind of growth no matter who you are. By preparing for that growth that would mean the company purchased bandwidth and paid labor costs before they actually needed it(not always good financially.)
(B) It took a couple weeks to get my first check from my cashout.
(G) Several checks arrived 4 days in a row and they had commas in them.
(B) The US District Attorneys office has halted the business about an hour ago and I don’t know why.
(G) If ASD resumes business AFTER the US District Attorneys office visited I expect to explode to over a million members in no time. The first thing out of my mouth will be the US District Attorney’s office already visited.
Conclusion.
When Myspace started the company paid their employees to be members and spread the word and grow Myspace. Now look where they are. They were also able to use their existing bandwidth and servers to avoid typical startup issues but they are not paying me.
What happens if the site opens again and Starbucks, MacDonalds, Capital One, and several companies decide to pay to be the first 4 or 5 sites that are viewed each day by over 100,000 members. These comanies will not be earning rebates but will be paying millions to have eyeballs just like they do on television commercials for branding. They will pay big bucks for branding. How much is it worth to get that many eyeballs? That money will go into the pool so me and several others earning thousands per week will easily be paid. It will only get better.
Finally. If the site does not come back up you know what the US Attorney’s office has decided. If it does come back up I hope you are not offended by making a lot of money ethically.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Low and behold, asd is shut down/being investigated! We have some very naive relatives who “invested” around 80K in this sucker. We tried to warn them and tell them about 12dailypro etc. They gave us $500 to put into it. We never put more money in but they kept telling us we should. I hope anyone who has money in it is able to get it out.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:28 pm
ASD has been shut down as many expected it would be for all the reasons stated above. Seen this type of programs before If by some chance it come out of this their will be a huge run on the money and it will still fall apart .I fell sorry for friends how got a bunch of money it this as they too now see what I warned them would happned has happned.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pm
This just posted on the ASD website:
Friday, August 1st 2008 afternoon update:
Upon direction from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the District of Columbia, ASD will not be able to move funds into company accounts, or out of them. We will work to resolve this problem, and return to normal operation, as soon as we are permitted to do so.
ASD Management.
Does this mean that they are shut down?
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:40 am
It looks like the government has shut them down this afternoon. Their website now says Friday, August 1st 2008 afternoon update:
Upon direction from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the District of Columbia, ASD will not be able to move funds into company accounts, or out of them. We will work to resolve this problem, and return to normal operation, as soon as we are permitted to do so.
ASD Management.
For anybody who has invested money in this scam that message has to put a knot in your stomach.
Mackie Visser
I think they have already left the airport.
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:41 am
Here it is as of yesterday.
Friday, August 1st 2008 afternoon update:
Upon direction from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the District of Columbia, ASD will not be able to move funds into company accounts, or out of them. We will work to resolve this problem, and return to normal operation, as soon as we are permitted to do so.
ASD Management.
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:26 am
Looks like the begining of the end for ASD.
Feds have frozen funds, check out article here:
http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/internet_pyramid_ponzi_crooks.html
August 2nd, 2008 at 11:07 am
I wanted to say ASD is a ok company. I know some who is making money successfully. Please get more informed.
August 2nd, 2008 at 11:23 am
I am surprised that nobody has committed on the message that is now on the company’s home page as quoted below:
“Friday, August 1st 2008 afternoon update:
Upon direction from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the District of Columbia, ASD will not be able to move funds into company accounts, or out of them. We will work to resolve this problem, and return to normal operation, as soon as we are permitted to do so.
ASD Management.”
???
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Ken; Very nice! I got an email from someone who recently visited the ASD office in FL. They have actually expected the US attorney Generals office to stop by and that was 2months agao. It is happening a bit later than they excpedt. It is all a part of the growth. I guess since the site was down for over 10 days people complained and the US attorney general is checking it out. They US attorney generals office will be in ASD office on Mondya and we will see what happenes after that. I have good vibes about this. myspace had growing pains as did google and other major copanies like Ebay and such. No one has found anything wrong with ASD and people should stop stating assumptions till you have all the facts.
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:34 pm
I called a friend who is heavy into ASD expressing my sympathy for those who lost money. He said they had a conference call about this last week and feel that their money is safe and ASD is still ok. I don’t think he understands that the USAG does not freeze funds lightly and the company is under investigation. The USAG won’t freeze funds after one phone call complaining of a scam. The ball was probably rolling on this investigation for some time. Sadly, one of my family members invested in ad packages. Thankfully, she only lost $470.
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:46 pm
I believe in ASD & Andy Bowdoin because for one my sponsor whom is a good friend of mine & my wifes is making money & so am I.Besides from personal experience,I believe in Andy & also his lawyer firm believing their firms name & reputation is more important than to support a ponzi scheme period!!! I think the opinions should STOP & the FACTS should stand,you know who you are & I’m very clear about there being no need to mention names.
You have your opinions & MY opinion is you should keep them to YOURSELF!!
With all due respect to ASD & Andy,thanks for the ride & lets keep it going.
We look forward to it all & to a successful future in ASD!!
With Much Respect,Timothy Kross
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:57 am
http://www.byoaudio.com/play/WYRbN9GQ
Listen to this. Everything is cool with ASD!
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:15 am
mark j,
Are you PARTIALLY ignorant, or COMPLETELY ignorant? ASD had no other viable streams of income to support the “rebate” system. Their primary income was derived from recruiting new members to pay in to the program. This cannot be denied! I can’t believe how dumb so many people are…
“In pyramids, the emphasis is on recruitment,” says FTC attorney James Kohm, “and most, if not all, of the sales are to distributors.”
“The problem with pyramids,” says Kohm, “is that the vast majority of participants must lose money to pay for the rewards of a lucky few. Most people end up with nothing to show for their investments except the expensive products or other marketing materials they’re pressured to buy.”
Do the folks at ASD know where Coleman FCC is? Because that’s where they’ll end up.
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:15 am
John michael are u seriously that uneducated about the recruitment requirements of the program????
It just so happens that the propaganda you quoted has no bearing on a program where recruitment is not even required, but they do give generous bonuses to those who choose to!!
GOD BLESS ANDY
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:20 am
We have verbal communication that things are going smoothly with the Attorney General’s office. The initial review is moving fine and that they are signing off, with just an in office inspection remaining to complete. We are told, not to worry. It appears that the company is being cleared and should be operation again by about Tuesday. This is from a very reliable contact within the company. This will further establish the credibility of ASD once it is complete. We are also told Andy is elated and thanks for the prayers from the believers, they are helping.
I believe those people automatically promoting their position that this was a “scam – and I told you so”, will be eating their words soon. This is solid inside news, not rumors or speculation.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 am
Tim,
You must be a COMPLETE ignoramus, yourself. Your hillbilly Uncle Andy is under criminal investigation.
There were no site problems; they were stalling, scratching their hillbilly asses wondering what to do next when the feds starting knocking on the door.
He charismatically led an entire blind flock into believing his convoluted promises of prosperity. A few at the top came away with all the cash; EVERYONE else LOST OUT. IT’S OVER! WAKE THE HELL UP!
This “cult of personality” has toppled. These guys are going away for good.
How do make money for not doing anything?… Moron…
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:48 am
Tell me are the following 2 pages of autosurfs (or in case you all didnt notice 102 pages of those illegal ponzi autosurfs
Dailypaidsurf – Dailypaidsurf.com ( 1 2 )
UnguViola 07-30-2008 09:29 PM
by barbal 12 444
Splashing Ads – splashingads.com ( 1 2 )
davileonardo 07-30-2008 02:52 PM
by desire 11 677
Moved: Trafficgiant – trafficgiant.net
nirvana – - –
ReadySurf – ReadySurf.com ( 1 2 3 )
EdwardTG 07-29-2008 12:35 PM
by inzane 29 1,226
JKFunds – jkfunds.com
JKFunds 07-29-2008 12:01 PM
by JKFunds 1 156
Moved: DragonAutoSurf – dragonautosurf.ca
ProfitVillage – - –
Skyline Surf – Skyline-Surf.com ( 1 2 )
surfgirl 07-26-2008 06:41 AM
by profielli 14 826
Eternity Advertisement – eadvertisment.com ( 1 2 3 … Last Page )
eadadmin 07-26-2008 06:06 AM
by desire 36 1,769
LT-Plan – lt-plan.com ( 1 2 3 … Last Page )
me222 07-24-2008 11:01 PM
by TalkgoldMen 67 7,673
Moved: 12SurfInstant – 12surfinstant.com
Saxton – - –
Moved: NeverSurf – Neversurf.com
KRISHFINANCE – - –
Moved: Prosourceads – Prosourceads.net
EdwardTG – - –
KarenzSurf – Karenzsurf.com ( 1 2 3 … Last Page )
jacu131 07-23-2008 12:32 AM
by A-Surf 40 1,508
Goddess Ads – Goddessads.com ( 1 2 3 … Last Page )
surfdxd 07-22-2008 09:19 PM
by path2prosperity 142 5,214
AutoPaySurf – autopaysurf.net
Albert72 07-22-2008 04:30 AM
by profit 4 237
Wjob – wjob.eu
WeRnIS 07-21-2008 02:22 PM
by WeRnIS 0 130
U-GotPaid – u-gotpaid.net ( 1 2 3 … Last Page )
UGPAdmin 07-20-2008 11:24 PM
by Ben_8988 48 1,522
SurfImprovement – SurfImprovement.com ( 1 2 )
SurfImprovement 07-18-2008 11:14 PM
by SurfImprovement 13 1,073
MadZPop – madzpop.com
EdwardTG 07-18-2008 03:57 AM
by FlashbaQ86 8 403
MrsVip – Vee V-Lane Traffic – mrsvip.net ( 1 2 3 )
Sunnybank 07-18-2008 03:54 AM
by FlashbaQ86 29 2,271
History-Ads – history-ads.com ( 1 2 3 … Last Page )
inzane 07-17-2008 03:30 PM
by inzane 32 1,157
Surf.refal – Surf.refal.pl
talkgold 07-17-2008 03:09 PM
by TalkgoldMen 9 305
Surf-Down-Under – surf-down-under.com ( 1 2 3 … Last Page )
me222 07-17-2008 02:50 PM
by TalkgoldMen 69 3,887
IncomeMonitorClub – incomemonitorclub.com
IncomeMonitorClub 07-16-2008 06:14 PM
by IncomeMonitorClub 2 92
SourceLinkAds – sourcelinkads.com ( 1 2 3 … Last Page )
ebusinessgatedotcom 07-16-2008 02:43 AM
by list4hyip 157 2,809
SurfGladiator – surfgladiator.com
counselor 07-14-2008 08:45 PM
by chmonitor 8 902
Advertisers-Profit – advertisers-profit.com ( 1 2 )
NAT 07-14-2008 10:22 AM
by NAT 17 1,128
Tiny lil Surf – tinylilsurf.com ( 1 2 3 )
AllanJ 07-13-2008 09:14 AM
by Jangkung 28 650
Moved: Surfwithdoves – surfwithdoves.com (A CHRISTIAN ILLEGAL PONZI AUTOSURF>>>>HMMMMMMMMM)
EdwardTG – - –
Moved: GDD – golddirectly – golddirectly.com
Just explain why you all do-gooders didnt go after anyone of the other illegal ponzi autosurfs???
And I will ask the same of the AG and DOJ as well cause I really want to know why 3 were targeted yet none of the others arent
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 am
For those who feel ASD is a scam-
If ASD passes the investigation with the US Attorney General, would this give you enough credible evidence to change your opinion?
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Why did the Feds freeze the bank accounts of ASD on 8/1/2008? Does that make you think? Say goodbye to your money.
August 3rd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Can anyone tell me why all the e-mail addesses for this “Legit” company are either gmail or yahoo accounts. I have worked for a compnay as small as 23 people and we all had e-mail address’ the were @ companyname.com. Seems kind of fishy that a company that is so TECH savy still uses gmail and yahoo e-mail address’ for daily comunication. One Word, Ghetto! If your business is run on one server and free e-mail address’ you are certainly Ghetto. $100 Million dollars generated should get one out of the Ghetto and quickly I might ad. My 5 year old brother could have built the current ASD site in one day. If Bank of America’s site was down for even one hour, especially during business hours their whole IT staff wuld be fired. I should know I am in the business.
RUN FOR THE HILLS!
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Anything worth having is worth waiting for. Wish people could be more patient and less worried about the competition. They seem to be good people. Let’s hope for the best for ASD. The economy needs them and the thought of doing business with all these bashing competitors is pretty depressing. I hope that’s not all we are left with.
I will be happy to advertise with them because they are giving a lot back to the advertisers and reducing overhead of products being sold. Sounds really good.
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:34 pm
If ASD was truely pulling in the millions it says it does each day why would they need to utilized their “other businesses” for capital-and as quoted above: why would their site be down for so many days-If I was bringing in milions per day Bill Gates would be my IT guy!!!! or at least Wozniak
We all want to make “$ for nothing” wish it was this easy. Hope the people who started this scam… Andy et al… get their payments!
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm
John Michael must be so proud that he did not waste his money on asd. I mean why would any rational human use a program that works just fine when you could invest in the Strong U.S. dollar or the BOOMING real estate market (LOL) . Wait maybe we should put some money into a weapons or explosive company. Those should definitely b profitable in the future!! I know, Im gonna buy some fuel and hold on to it for a year. I will nearly double my money for sure.
Hopefully someone will feed you and give you shelter John when you lose it all to inflation and stupidity. I know some immigrants down there that will probably have your job, house, and vehicle in the next few years. Hope they leave a minimum wage job for you. Call me next year and i will fill up your moped for free once, after that it will be 7$ gallon which will be your hourly wage im sure. Before taxes of course!
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I make over $100k per year with my over night biz system. Consistently! This because, I do not chase hot online businesses.
Whether ASD is a scam or not is not the issue. The issue is – The same folks will involve themselves with another business and bitch, moan and cry about it. Sort of like that sweet, beautiful girl always falling for that macho, street smart thug. Kinda exciting, right! They never learn.
Who wants a straight forward, law abiding, responsible and intelligent yet boring kid to hang out with?
People get what they deserve.
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:23 pm
I think everyone who loves ASD should sit down with a favorite CD and glass of wine and enjoy the music. Don’t worry or let any negativity get to you. Don’t be mad, mad canadian, it just helps them. But, it’s great you are here posting.
ASD won’t be taking too long on this AG issue… no, you’ll see a revolutionary change in their attention to detail and just keep enjoying the music as they work away for our best interests. Laugh at this and feel confident.
check out this link: It says the Department of Revenue leases the 3rd and 4th floors. Guess ASD is going to have a hard time trying to sac the State of Florida as scammers.
isn’t this their new bldg? can’t believe nobody read this and commented on it yet.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:01 pm
guess you were right…
I tried to sign up today and got this message.
Friday, August 1st 2008 afternoon update:
Upon direction from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the District of Columbia, ASD will not be able to move funds into company accounts, or out of them. We will work to resolve this problem, and return to normal operation, as soon as we are permitted to do so.
ASD Management.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:09 pm
“For those who feel ASD is a scam-
If ASD passes the investigation with the US Attorney General, would this give you enough credible evidence to change your opinion?”
No.
First, I would need actual proof that there even was an investigation. There is the chance that the ‘investigation’ is a scam itself.
Second, I would need proof of the “Fortune 500″ companies that are “partnering” with ASD, because this is the only way to pay out 125% over the long haul.
Third, because the servers have been terribly slow and there is clear lack of knowledge there how to run an enterprise system, I could never trust my money with that kind of operation. (I develop software for large enterprise systems and my whole group would be fired in 5 seconds if our systems ran like this… especially if they handle money and credit cards.)
Forth, ASD does not even use SSL for the signup page. I don’t want personally identifiable information running across the net in clear text.
Fifth, the advertising model does not appeal to me. Way too expensive, imo. Why would I limit exposure to the same 100,000+ people, when Google/Yahoo/MSN/etc. reach millions worldwide for far less dough?
Sixth, too much ‘integrity’ for me.
Seventh, too many ‘attorneys on retainer’ for me.
I could sit here all night and list reasons, but that’s enough for now.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:30 pm
I noticed that if you try to post anything here that will interfere with Lewis’ view, he will not allow it. Now that is just biast. You will not allow a mature debate, it is your side or none at all, huh?
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:30 pm
I have tried several times to post a link to a positive ASD blog and it will not go through. hmmmm….
August 4th, 2008 at 1:53 am
Of course you are right ASD Positive. I was only mad for long enough to realize that all great men in the history of our existence have endured ridicule, backstabbing, jealousy, and lies by the people that refuse to seek the truth but instead would rather the visionary with the revolutionary idea be punished rather than praised. I may be Canadian but I still know of many great American souls who have been dragged through the mud by others, and then placed on a pedestal by the same group who tried to persecute and them in the first place.
GOD BLESS
August 4th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Tested: ASD Positive:
Regarding the new building – yes, I did the research on it about 3 weeks ago. I thought it was odd that ASD said they were PURCHASING and taking over the “tallest building in Quincy!”, because when I checked into it, the 3rd & 4th floors are currently occupied by the Dept. of Revenue. ASD said they were going to have an additional 20,000 s/f. If it’s already occupied by the Dept. of Revenue, which is half the building, that means that the other half, which is approximately 10,000 s/f, would be occupied by ASD. Sorry, Tested, but 10,000 s/f is NOT the whole building. Also, as of today, the 1st & 2nd floors are available to LEASE, not purchase. I just haven’t bothered to post my misgivings regarding this. Furthermore, what does the State of Florida occupying the building have to do with “ASD is going to have a hard time trying to sac the State of Florida as scammers.”? Please elaborate.
I’m an ASD member & I find all the “assurances” by them to be, well frankly, alarming. The site was up, then down, then up, then down. Another posting on the website said they’re going to bring ASD into “warp speed” or other such nonsense (I believe they really, REALLY need to get someone who can actually write a halfway intelligent announcement). Then the message about the USAG. As other posters here have said, do you think it’s possible, just possible that they put the announcement on the site because they’re trying to “deflect”? Could it be possible that they didn’t have enough $$ to cover people wanting to take their money out, so they put up the announcement to buy some time? After all, no one really KNOWS that the USAG has asked them to do this. My money is in ASD – am I just supposed to take their word for it? Am I supposed to believe everything they say just because Andy is a man of “integrity” or a “Christian”? Just because a bunch of people I don’t know (and some I do) said so? You know, Tested, I haven’t spoken with ONE person who personally knows this man; they’re just repeating what others have said.
The thing that’s really astounding to me is that there is such fervent belief in ASD and Andy. It’s as if the guy is running for President! I couldn’t find anything about him when I joined ASD in the Spring – not one posting for (or against) him. Now, everyone claims to “know” that he’s a man of “impeccable integrity”. How do YOU know this? Because you NEED to believe? Where were all the proponents back in the Spring? In 2007? In 2006? Word of mouth is a powerful thing, don’t you agree?
You see, Tested, we’re all entitled to our opinions. The great thing about this country (and this forum) is that we’re all free to express ourselves either for or against. The problem I have is that when one tries to express theirself in one of the pro-ASD forums, only, and I mean ONLY the pro-ASD posts (i.e. Dogma) are permitted. Seems kind of unfair to me. I guess the only thing I would like you to take away from this is that the ones who believe ASD is the greatest will continue to believe it is, because they HAVE to. I, nor anyone else who believes the contrary will convince them otherwise. By the same token, you will not change the minds of those convinced ASD is a ruse. Ah, the age-old delimma…
Good luck to you, Sir.
August 4th, 2008 at 3:47 am
Looks like ASD is under control of the authorities.
This ponzi scam was bound to be taken down sooner or later.
Either through the authorities or math.
I hope they hammer ASD and all the heavy hitters who recruited
the sheep in here by the thousands.
People are in for a world of hurt.
I hear many people put tens of thousands in here.
August 4th, 2008 at 8:07 am
My first impression is that ASD has very poor computing capabilities. Makes me wonder what level of data integrity they have. If this is so important why don’t they outsource the operations to a web hosting company that can handle large growth? Capacity upgrades should not regularly take hours. When is the last time Microsoft or Google went down for hours?
Okay, I’ll partially answer the question – it’s because web hosting companies want a multi-year commitment.
If they ever come online again I will measure their system availability.
August 4th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Well Zeus, what do you have to say now. I was persuaded by cheerleaders like you to put my hard earned money into ASD. Can I depend on you to apologize for all the lies, and send me a refund? I hope you at least have the decency to apologize to all of the people you recruited into this ponzi scheme. Do you have any friends left?
August 4th, 2008 at 11:30 am
My links have disappeared too, a friend. Not sure why because it’s good for conversation, but I guess the host doesn’t want anyone surfing out to another site. lol
Great minds always attract great opposition, you are so right Mad C. I always try to look at it like the balancing force which fuels us positive thinkers to succeed. We all need opposition but respectful opposition would be appreciated. Name calling and accusatory language doesn’t help anyone but the Pepto Bismal Co.
I have only been in ASD for a few months but have had an amazing response and am making lots of money in the business,(not rebate$’s) contacts and positive strides in my career. In addition, I am in contact with several very large corps that are considering ads. Sounds like others have not been as fortunate.
I can’t have negative thoughts about them because it has been so incredibly good for me. A real inspiration and motivator.
for those of you who need the positive side to balance you, I’m sure we’ll be here for you. Don’t worry yourselves too much. Doomsday isn’t really right around the corner or here as you think. We don’t all need to run out and buy anti ASD spray to ward off the thousands of ad package salesman. lol
ola…
August 4th, 2008 at 11:36 am
please remember, anger doesn’t help any situation. go with the flow and see what happens…
August 4th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
This Brings up a good point. It’s not only Andy who should “Pay” for this scam, but, those that reaped the benefits at the beginning, the big cheerleaders and players.
Those that made the BIG money because they perpetuated the “Big Lie”.
I don’t care if they believed or not. The point is that anyone with a head no bigger than a pin knew this was mathematically impossible to sustain.
So, who WERE this big players that got this scam jump started. Andy tried this whole thing before, with a different website, different math. But, he got the greedy, selfish promoters to jump start it and continue the lie this time.
WHO were those people?
Who was it, ladies and gentlemen, that first told you about ASD?
If those promoters, the same ones over and over, can be brought to their knees, if the fear of God is put into other promoter wanna bees that they’ll suffer greatly if they participate in such a scam. . .. maybe some good can come out of this.
This JUNK has to stop!
Let’s help identify the big players and leaders in whom you put your trust.
AQ
August 4th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
i got a check from asd everybody better shut up all you stupid people stop acting like woman complain all the time
August 4th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
“Ask questions”
I know for a fact 3 BIG recuriters/promoters/cheerleaders
in this ponzi scam.
They are:
Brad Weinman
(http://www.wealthgenerationsystems.com/programs.html)
Team Aaron shara (Aaronshara.com)
Shad Foss (http://www.autosurfinsider.net/)
I strongly urge you who were ripped off by ASD to report
these 3 main promoters to the authorities.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Honest to goodness it just blows me away. You ASD hopefuls absolutely refuse to believe that there’s something wrong. OF COURSE the early ones make money. You selfish pinheads…none of you give a damn about those who are joining after you and can’t get their money out because it was already given to you. The website is shut down, all these platitudes about being back up & running and here it is Monday night and it’s still closed. PEOPLE, THIS ISN’T NORMAL!!! This never happened to Amazon, or AOL, Cisco, etc.
If Andy has been so successful, where is his record? There’s nothing on the internet about him! His so called medal of distinction was nothing more than a political award by the NRCC.
Please stop feeding ASD. It’s not sound! There is no such get-rich-quick scheme! LEARN!!!!
August 5th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Point #1. THE ATTORNEY
I read the attorney statement right off the bat and knew that this guy was busy protecting Andy and himself from any criminal act.
Point #2. The “Terms and Conditions”
These “terms and conditions” are so geared to protect Andy and the “company” that it leaves little doubt that the rest of us are unprotected.
Point #3. Payment and Recruiting
If you want to make money, you can buy ad packages but you REALLY need to get others to join, not as FREE members but as PAID members so you can get your percentage from them.
As far as payment goes, I’m referring to your payment going to ASD not the other way around. Why are the companies they use so unknown? And why do they have to use an off shore credit card company to collect fees? Don’t tell me it’s the 3% rebate, in this economy you could easily get that from just about any US bank card company.
Point #4. The WEBSITE.
I have been a web designer for almost 10 years and I have never repaired or built a website and had it “go live” without building a BETA version, testing it and then releasing it. The old site stays up and running until then. Who besides these guys could stay in business on the web WITHOUT A WEBSITE. We are supposed to sell ads for a site that no one can get into. Also, this CEO needs to take some computer classes. His explanations of what is going borders on idiotic. He sounds like a 3 year old trying to explain calculus. This is NOT how you do business on the web and certainly NOT how a “large” web firm would handle a transition like this. The old site may have been slow but at least IT WORKED!
And now, law suits, if they are real, they may just be a ploy to keep people in until ALL the moneys off shore.
August 5th, 2008 at 3:14 am
a friend says: “I noticed that if you try to post anything here that will interfere with Lewis’ view, he will not allow it.”
That’s cuz Lewis is right!
Seriously, thank the moderator if your posts are truly being blocked, it’s probably in your best interest; the moderator is just protecting you from Lewis’s rebuttal.
August 5th, 2008 at 3:51 am
micaela, great post!
ASD top brass are probably well on the lam in Mexico sipping margaritas by now. Anyhow, I digress.
Well, maybe I don’t… where is Andy et al? How come the “conference calls” aren’t run by Andy, the leader? Oh, right, I forgot, he’s meeting with a legion of lawyers in DC. (Or was it that he was planning on meeting with the lawyers in DC… worlds top MLM lawyer). I don’t care how many lawyers you have… it doesn’t make your case any more right.
By the way, the last call was absolutely hilarious! I was crying it was so funny. I can’t believe they didn’t automatically mute everyone. (Anyone like Sir Mix-a-lot? even white boys have to shout!)
However, I’m not so sure even all the disruption from the supposed anti-ASD caller wasn’t staged itself. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
On these “conference calls” (where they predict the clouds will soon part and the blue sky will apear) when they supposedly take a callers question, how come they mute out the caller??? Is it perhaps because there is no caller???!!!
Or, how come the don’t take callers’ questions at all sometimes???
I bet it’s all staged.
Do you know why I think they are staged? Because no corporation in their right mind would publish a call like the last one!!! (I don’t buy the fact that it was recorded by someone calling in.)
Smoke and mirrors my friends.
The truth will soon come out. Hopefully everyone’s money is safe (in Andy’s safe that is… from the last convention still).
August 5th, 2008 at 5:06 am
Well once again I fell for the auto surfing scam. Thankfully I only lost a few hundred dollars. I’m done with this stuff…no more for me.
One of the big players in this was/is Brad Weinman. He has a web site dedicated to so called passive programs and ADS is one of his top picks…5 stars. It will be interesting to see what he has to say when his next news letter rolls around.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
It’s in the press…
http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080805/BREAKINGNEWS/80805011&GID=Dk9M9d4PZeqkd/xaTAqRH6W4y7ufMkAVrBkFsZlOkpQ%3D
Andy’s packin’ for a San Quentin holiday…
August 5th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
It’s over, you crack-smokers!
Shut down, sent home, property(-ies) seized!…
Auntie EM, Auntie EM!…
August 5th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Has anyone been able to find any record of the Feds actually investigating ASD? You would think there would be a newspaper article, etc. but I can’t find anything on it expect on their website. My guess it is a stall whily they scam the rest of peoples money. Something so big would likely rate a news article? I had a bad feeling last week when their website was down. Not surprised by the bad news. The people that bring religion into this though. Andy being a Christian has nothing to do with it people. Christians lie, steal, murder, and cheat all the time. Wake up!
August 5th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
i see all this about asd i am a member and worried.i hope that all comes out well for them because i really do not want to lose any money.
August 5th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
ASD Investigator was right on target. Here’s what he (or she) posted a while ago.
For those of you who have poked holes in ASD and tried to warn their cheerleaders that this situation is no more than a glorified Ponzi scheme, you can rest easier. Be assured that the SEC and other appropriate authorities have been properly notified and are conducting a thorough investigation as we speak.
For those of you who naively just began participating in ASD, it would be prudent to withdraw as much of your initial “investment” as you can as soon as possible before the Hammer comes down or you will never see any of it again. If you leave it “invested”, you will also be put on various future “watch” lists on which the earliest members of ASD have guaranteed themselves a place, and a highlighted one at that.
ASD is substantially the same type of “business” as phoenixsurf.com which got busted last year (do yourself a favor and google phoenixsurf.com and SEC). The same result is inevitable despite ASD’s efforts to spin their activity into something else and misrepresent facts (such as Bowdoin starting numerous companies without mentioning that they all failed, and Garner being a SEC attorney, to which the SEC will not take too kindly).
The opinion of the proper authorities is what ultimately rules just like with the phoenixsurf.com ruling. It doesn’t matter what the cheerleaders say here or what they say on the other ASD discussion sites. In fact, I’m sure that the proper authorities prefer the cheerleaders to continue posting and identifying themselves so that the roundup becomes more like shooting fish in a barrel.
It doesn’t matter how much sugar you put on spoiled food; no matter how good it tastes as it goes down, it’s still spoiled food and you will get food poisoning.
Consider yourselves warned.
The cheerleaders and ASD opponents may wish to copy my words and post them at the other ASD sites. It will be worth your effort if even a few naive lambs are prevented from being led to the slaughter.
August 6th, 2008 at 1:08 am
I have been in asd since January 24,2008. We have made made money my bussiness partner put me in yes the company is new. They are going thourgh growing pains they have expanded there customer service by people then their hours I have always had pleasant experiences. Our bussiness partner new andy personaly andy even came to our hotel to personaly visit. My better half meet him I had the flu. I use to take two weeks to receieve a check now it takes less than a week. When they are back up and running they will be stronger than ever.
SO LET’S KEEP THE FAITH!
August 6th, 2008 at 2:31 am
Hey Pawel,
It’s so interesting that the ones who talk the loudest seem to be the ones who know the least about ASD. EVERY member/advertiser who surfs, receives withdrawable cash in his balance every day. The promotional matches are virtual money, and daily percentage generated is paid out over time – those are the profits, not the ad packages. It really IS mathematically sound, to those who truly understand it.
The problem is not ASD, which has always paid us – or people like me wouldn’t have cashed out repeatedly. The problem is the ignorant jokers that put money out without understanding it, then when the site is down for a time for UPGRADING (almost completed!), to improve the speed, smoothness and capacity, due to all the growth,… people begin to doubt or just get impatient, report their insecurities to agencies like the U.S. Attorney’s office,… and (along with the government) A HANDFUL OF WEASELS, imagining that willl somehow compensate them sooner – THEY actually delay the process for themselves and the rest of us when the agency steps in to freeze funds, while investigating the Ponzi allegations. So it’s not ASD, but the impatient jerks that mess it up,… until of course ASD’s confident, top name attorneys resolve the issue, expected relatively soon.
So, the “I told you so” moment will actually be a moment. Then ASD will be vindicated!
Awaiting resolution,
Ty
August 6th, 2008 at 2:37 am
PS: BTW, I have folks in my group that have been very satisfied with their advertising results, and are among many submitting their testimonials for gov’t observation. That’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? C-H-E-E-R on!!
August 6th, 2008 at 11:31 am
I love all the people on here comparing ASD’s growing pains to that of google, facebook, starbucks, etc. Please tell me when the U.S. Justice Department stepped in and shut down these “similar” companies? What scares me even more is the way people speak of “Andy” as if he is this revolutionary messiah and savior to the world. Seriously, the way people speak of this guy, is the same way people spoke of Jim Jones, David Koresh, Warren Jeffs, etc.
August 6th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Hi Pawel,
Any thoughts on what’s going on? Would you like to chime in?
August 6th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
As Question says,
Like I said last week on this blog to someone with the same attitude as yourself…when you actually know what a real SCAM is, come back and post. Regardless of what you “think” you know, ASD is not even close to a real SCAM.
August 6th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
ONE THING OVERLOOKED:
The official U.S. Dept of Justice Press Release states:
“This matter is an ongoing investigation. No one has been criminally charged at this point and every defendant is presumed innocent until and unless found guilty.”
So far these are simply allegations. Again, time will tell if ASD is the same as previous surf programs.
August 6th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
There will always be Ponzi Scams & Money Games and there will always be idiots con-artist that play them… FACT of life! Moral of the story? DON’T play these games & work a REAL business instead!
August 6th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
http://tallahassee.com/assets/pdf/CD11468785.PDF
It’s not a link to another blog… it’s a link to the court petition detailing the investigation into ASD and Andy Bowdoin. It doesn’t look good. It also lists the counts that are being brought against him.
August 6th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
ASD cash generator. It’s really quite simple….the founder Dr. Evil is now on his jet to a non-extradition country with a bank account that is filled to the brim. His cash generator worked……for him. Sorry to all that got stung but it all falls back a simple saying….” if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is “
August 6th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
You are right it happened the FBI shut them down …is there any recourse for anyone involved in this scam …who can we sue i lost 30,000.00 i guess this guy had 53 million tied upin this scam and was living plush as we ever could… i wondre does he go to jail or does he get off scott free like all the other rich people who do these to people.
August 6th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Well, what can I say….I told you so
It’s over! They are done. FBI seized over 53 million in funds and 2 homes. All that now is the property of the U.S. government.
So $53 million is now frozen and nobody will ever see that money again. I guess the cheerleaders were wrong once again
August 6th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Yes, 53$ mill was siezed but ASD make lots more than that. The FBI report even said that recently Andy used the ASD BOA account to purchase a piece of jewlery for $51,000! He used the ASD accounts lilke his own personal accounts. (FBI report)
here are links to the FBI reports (all 101 pages) as well as news clip of the raids.
http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/26280459.html
http://www.tulsatoday.com/ASDcomplaint.pdf (101 pages of the investigation) I guess there was a fed who joined ASD as a member so that he/she could investigate from the “inside”
August 7th, 2008 at 10:23 am
On some of the pro-ASD forums, there are still members (well… now-former members) who are in complete denial, thinking and saying that good ‘ole Uncle Andy will save the day, that God will intervene (somehow God always gets slipped into the mix with these crazy schemes), and that this is all a government conspiracy, of sorts. Some are asking for proof that agents came and shut down the deal; and want proof that the Attorney General papers are, indeed, real.
KEEP SNIFFING THAT AIRPLANE GLUE!
August 7th, 2008 at 11:29 am
In cases like ASD, what does ,”declaring that the defendant properties be forfeited to the US of A for disposition according to law.”, mean??
Can people who sent money to ASD recover any of their funds?
August 7th, 2008 at 11:35 am
As an ASD member I am truly disappointed to say that we were indeed all take by Andy Bowdoin and his scam. I have read the court document. It is not a investigation as my upline is still saying. The document is clear. The investigation was done undercover back in July 2008. Now the government is moving forward with court proceedings. I want everyone to know, who may have got into ASD as late as the Chicago Rally. Those checks have not been cashed. I went to my bank this morning (8/7/08) and put a stop on my check and was able to recover my $2,000. Again, I am lucky. . According to the Federal Government, this is not his first scam and pled guilty and was sentenced to 1 year in prison prior to this. That was suspended and he was to pay $75,000 in restitution. Tiny amount that allows people like him top come back again. Andy Bowdoin has not had a legitimate income in 20 year according to the Government document
August 7th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
A ponzi is a ponzi is a ponzi. This scam is dead!!! The people that are sure this is going to come back stronger than ever are in denial. If these people had “Faith” they wouldn’t be following a false prophet. What does the Bible say about the love of money and greed? That what fuels these scams.
August 7th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Where’s Andy?
August 7th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
My 65 yr old mother in law lost her entire life savings and more….over $120,000. Even liquidated her home equity line for ASD. Now, she doesnt know how she will pay her bills next month. Oh, yeah, she did get a few checks for around $1,000 before they went down.
She tried to get me in ASD for months and months with the same old cheerleading crap you read here before August 1. “You have to do it!!” she exclaimed. I kept telling her she was crazy.
Now, she is “joking” about having to move in with us. Sorry to be cruel by that will not happen from financial stupidity.
Learn your lessons, people. Anything that sounds too good to be true is.
That Andy guy is not to blame one bit. These fools have no one to blame but themselves and deserve their losses.
August 8th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Not to sure about all the stuff I’ve been reading here? I don’t know Andy personally in fact never met him. Never been to a meeting or a RaRa seminar. What I can tell you is only from personal experience and not hear say. I sign up April 7 2008. NEVER put in a dime! Nothing! Made over $8,520. Yes surfing on the net? Got 5 other people involved in that time and they all made a profit! I guess I just don’t see a scam here? Don’t know if they will come back but I sure hope so! That money sure came in handy in my Family life. Now because of some tool it’s gone.
August 8th, 2008 at 7:12 am
Dan, what do you mean because of some “tool” it’s gone? They are gone because the feds investigated it for while now and concluded that it was a ponzi and needed to be shut down. Apparently, the feds were investigating them way before I even made this post…lol I was just trying to warn you people. I knew the end was coming. In one of my first posts I said that ASD will not survive longer than 6-7 months, but I guess I was wrong there because they didn’t survive a month
So there are some people now who lost $120,000 like the example above of the 65 year old woman who lost her entire life’s savings. Those that made money on this deal did it on the expense of those who lost. Plain and simple.
August 8th, 2008 at 8:20 am
Well stated, Pawel.
When the ASD site went down last month, that was it. Uncle Andy and his band of pranksters HAD NO INTENTION of any “upgrades to the system/site”. That was a fabricated spin they were feeding to the membership. They were tipped off to authorities getting ready to move in, so they started to shut the operation down. They kept going with the rallies, having suckers throwing all their money at them. They were preparing to take off permanently and disappear.
Andy’s way over-inflated ego (gargantuan greed) is what brought about this mess so quickly. Nothing else! He himself (and his fat slob lawyer) brought this to the attention of the Florida AG’s office, trying to stop complaints against ASD. THAT”S when the investigations began.
The Florida civil suit drafted by the Florida’s Attorney General’s office is going after the money used to invest in this scheme to be returned to original investors. But this is ONLY for member residents of the state of Florida. ASD members (oops!… former members) need to contact the Attorney Generals’ offices of their respective states to file against this crook and his property.
So anyway, where is Andy, his Mrs, his fat lawyer, and the rest of his inbred family (oh yes!.. .you didn’t know… his twisted family and relatives were all involved in this!)
August 8th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Oh… And for those of you that think that Uncle Andy will be back to “Save the Day” and ASD will re-emerge from the ashes in all its glory…
Keep sniffing that airplane glue!
August 8th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Hey Dan:
If you did indeed make $8,500 with ASD without putting in a dime that means you must have referred quite a few people with quite a bit of money.
Have you talked to them? Are THEY happy about their losses?
Of course not, they lost money and you made money. How can that be a good thing?
I’m quite certain that you will be contacted by the authorities eventually to disgorge your ill gotten gains and may even be criminally liable for promoting an illegal ponzi scheme.
Yep, keep posting!
That’ll make you easier to find!
AQ
August 8th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
To any ASD member posters:
Get in touch with your uplines and downlines… stop posting here and on the blogs. These people’s opinions don’t matter. You were asked to have patience and the authorities are doing what they have to do by questioning the validity of the program. There have been many scams in the past and they have to be sure this isn’t one of them. Once they have time to review ASD and are educated to it’s model everything should be fine. It’s part of the growing process. Learn how to do ONLY productive things. Negative blogging won’t help you.
Be assured the members are not going to sit back and accept this. We are viable businessmen and women and this is just the normal process of a company who is growing so rapidly proving itself.
Don’t misinterpret documents from Andy’s past. You don’t know the whole story. I’m sure everyone has received a speeding ticket they felt they didn’t deserve. Company’s have issues they don’t deserve to. Go with your intuition, just as you did when you joined. Andy did not spend your money on any unappropriate purchases etc and all this stuff they are saying. He is a good man caught in the throws of proving himself. Just let him do that!!!!
Then talk about it….
August 8th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
To the Dan that signed up on August 7th and made all that money. How were you able to do that since the site has been down since August 1st if not a lot bit longer. Please explain that.
As for the truth about ASD. I tried becoming a member and I even tried sending them money. I am one of the fortunate ones either way. Since the cashiers check has not been cashed my bank can put a stop payment on it. So in about 90 days I’ll get that money back.
If it turns out they are for real then I can just turn around and put that money back into them. I kind of hope it utrns out that they are real then maybe I could make some real money.
August 8th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Never mind Dan I missread what you typed. Sorry.
August 8th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
The are being investigated for several reason’s. First I have no problem with them being investigated! I think that’s good! Keep’s people honest. When a company grows as fast as they did it sends up a red flag. Now with that being said it does not mean the did anything wrong. I’m reading some of these and they are just down right stupid or to make you feel better unintelligent. (John Michael ) 30 people complained about not getting there money in a timely fashion (I agree with them). It seems they bit off more than they could chew but did get it out.
Some unintelligent people are talking like the Members/Me are evil and out to hurt people? I’m a guy with 4 kid’s who saw what looked like a cool business and got involved. NOW PLEASE READ THIS…EVERY PERSON I GOT INVOLVED MADE A PROFIT! John that means they made more than they put in. It was a great advising source for my business…Fact! People were seeing my web page and I was getting results! We in this country call it free enterprise or Capitalism. Now to help some of you out….When someone files a complaint of more than $10,000 it becomes Federal. Now for the woman who lost $120,000! She has lost nothing yet! Money has been frozen but not taken. This is standard in an investigation like this . Some of you with fast lips should do more home work. If she put in $120,000 she couldn’t take it out for a 120 days anyway….Still she has lost nothing because it’s not done yet. I have no clue how this will turn out? I hope for all the people involved including Andy it gets back up and running! If he is convicted of wrong doing & deception I hope they hit him hard! The key word here is CONVICTED! Some of you just have no clue! Oh and John…..Stop sniffing airplane glue…….It’s making you sound unintelligent.
August 8th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Dan, I am sorry to tell you but they are shut down. The investigation has been already done
The feds concluded the investigation and filed charges. It’s over!
August 9th, 2008 at 12:04 am
um…jazzman, you say sites like Google have never been down for hours…really? I recall it being down all night once and yahoo is always down and having issues with email and that is why I switched to another free email for all my junk e-mials to go to. They are billion dollar companies and they are top in the industry. hhmmmm…
August 9th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Pawel.. They have NOT been shut down. There were no charges filed and all anyone has are the opinions expressed in these lying forums to go on. None of you knwo how ASD works and how the money is paid out. If you did then you would know that is is perfectly legal and that it is NOT a ponzi. Anyone can get paid well in rebates for thier advertising and surfing other ads. anyone, not just the first in the compnay but the last in the compnay too. I know people who joined recently and were making just as much as people at the “top” so to speak. You do not know what you are talking about. These are all opinions and not facts that you all are expressing. Stop trating them like facts.
August 9th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Yes, they have been shut down and that’s a FACT! Just watch this video on this site as the agents shut it down and charges were filed:
http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/26280459.html
August 9th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Well, so sorry, I did not state that major internet sites NEVER become unavailable. Are you suggesting that it is okay for a system processing millions of dollars of transactions to be a piece of crap as long as the company is new and growing? Your comment is absurd.
I suggest you READ the charges in the lawsuit. You think this is a temporary setback? It will probably be years in litigation. But I wonder if they will ever seek restitution from the people at the top.
Now here’s a question for you, so sorry – How do you know what “people at the top” were making? Do you have an inside track to all this financial information?
August 9th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Well apparently this country laws are set up to be guilty until proven innocent. Well on the comments about the company already shut down. You better have a better source then the news. I guess the news videos or comments are always true and not misleading to gain more reader or viewers. Well the company is not down, the feds never took the computers out of the building only copied what they needed. All the money in the accounts were accounted for . How come all the cashiers checks that were recently sent were not cashed. If this was a scam wouldnt you thing those would be cashed and gone. I guess i should spend a bunch of money in the stock market so i can lose it there. For the negative people out there that are crying its a scam get over it there are worst problems. If you want your voice heard go complain at the oil companys for bending us over with the gas prices, or how about all the illegals coming to the country taking jobs from us, or maybe how our economy is doing so great.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
SOME THINGS YOU ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
Ever heard of Charis Johnson? She managed to raise $500 million in about 9 months through her website, 12DailyPro. Charis’s little enterprise failed (as do all autosurf ponzis), and hundreds of people were left out to dry. The ASD ponzi model differs very little from that of 12DP. What strikes me is how Andy and Charis both used the same shpeels to perpetuate their schemes: endless references to God, constantly boasted about the ethical purity, bragged about their super-human business acumen… blah, blah, blah.
It seemed as though their rhetoric was read from the same book.
It is also important to note that those who run autosurf ponzis are not the only folks at risk of prosecution.
Actually, anyone who KNOWINGLY PARTICIPATES IN A PONZI has violated the law, and could run the risk of prosecution based on section 15 of the Securities Act of 1933.
Were you one of the ASD members who cashed out with handsome profits early on? I hope you haven’t spent it yet. While you will probably be safe from criminal prosecution if the A.G. can’t prove you knowingly participated in fraud, you may STILL BE AT RISK FOR CIVIL LITIGATION (Scholes v. Lehmann).
Yes folks, that right… anyone ambitious enough could start filing lawsuits on those who profited from ASD (laws vary by state). If you made 20 bucks here and there, you probably will not be sued. For those of you who cashed out big bucks… I would make an appointment this week with a really good attorney.
August 11th, 2008 at 1:26 am
So Sorry,
Here’s some more interesting reading material for you… It’s shut down; assets and properties have been seized. ASD will not be coming back…
http://tallahassee.com/assets/pdf/CD11468785.PDF
August 11th, 2008 at 10:37 am
The Feds should investigate the Social Security system which is CLEARLY a Ponzi Scam. Oh, I forgot……when the government sets up a scam, it’s LEGAL.
I expect that the government will steal the advertising money at ASD (which belongs to those businesses who paid for advertising on the social network) so that they can fund Social Security.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Guys if you read the lawsuit letter from the AG (the link two posts up) It clearly states that its an AG’s oppinon that ASD is breaking the law. What has happend to America when your assumed your guilty before you are even investigated.GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT??????? I am a member of ASD but realized that this is an investment for my company. All investments have risks. I mean hell, you couldnt pay me to play the stock market right now, much less keep my money in a bank. Dont even get me started on the banks, they shouldn’t have loaned the bums money to buy houses that they knew they couldnt afford to begin with. now they are closing down, but where was the out cry from the feds about the banks before this happend. what the banks are doin to current “paying on time” homeowners are basically reverse fraud (i.e. appriasals not meeting a settled price between buyer and seller, even though its a ready, willing and able buyer). enough about banks, As for ASD members who follow the ASD rules you know the truth yourself, dont waste your time with the non-belivers. As for the naysayers……time will tell. the truth will come to light even if your not on the boat.
oh and by the way…if you think the economy is bad now, vote for Obama in Nov and watch the taxes double and then you will have your recession.
cheers
August 15th, 2008 at 2:01 am
Any new developments on how ASD is doing? Any news if things are going for them against them or anything gotten under way yet?
August 17th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
To: Attorney Generals
State of Fla. & the United States
I would like to comment on the actions taken by the Attorney General of the State of Fla. & of the United States. You have perpetuated a gross injustice on over 100,000 people that belonged to ASD. This is not a ponzi scheme as you allege in your lawsuit and I have seen enough of them to know. You claim that you have had 3 complaints that money was not credited (out of over 100,000), I’m sorry but that was a customer support problem, not a job for the State of Fl. or the United States. Let me give you an example of the kind of problems you have caused. I had just received a check (my first one) from ASD in the amt. of $6,355.00 and deposited in my bank on Fri. am Aug. 5th. I just received a notice from my bank that the check would not be honored. That was not ASD’s fault, that was the fault of the Att. Gen. in the State of Fl. and the United States. I had purchased a total of $27,000.00 in ad pkgs. and now I have a feeling that I will never see a penny of that as the respective Governments will spend all the money paying for high priced recerverships and attorneys and all the other personel that it takes while our Governments call themselves looking out for the people. Well, we don’t want you to look out for us, we want you to let the so called free enterprise system to take care of us. According to you, ASD hurt 3 people while you hurt over 100,000.00 people. Is that fair? Why don’ t you spend your efforts trying to catch the real criminals that perpetuate crimes against the people and the Government every day instead of trying to interfere in a very good Company that was set up to help a lot of people. Oh, that’s right, the Government would not want a lot of people to make a lot of money as they may lose a little control over our lives. Around the first of July ASD had added greenbackstreet.com as a stream of income for the members and were in the process of adding other sources when you shut them down. This would allow the members to shop at home and we could purchase a lot of things cheaper than we could buy them in stores, thereby saving on fuel as well. You made a big deal about the first three pages that we surfed was just touting ASD. For your information, the 2nd page created income by selling domain names and the 3rd page was selling leads for the members that also generated income.
You also stated that with a Ponzi, the only people that made money were the first ones that came in, with that I agree. What I don’t agree with is your assertion that this program was a Ponzi. Every person that came into ASD made money from the first day that were in the program until the day you shut them down. How could this possibly be a Ponzi? Another thing, we were never guaranteed that we woould make anything, only that we would share in the revenue that came in every day. If it ever got to the point that not much money was coming in, then we would only make our proportionate share. How is this a Ponzi?
Let me tell you what ASD has done for me. While surfing my sites one day, a website came up that caught my eye. I checked it out thoroughly and then decided to go to New Jersey to further check out the Company. To make a long story short, I purchased a dealership. By the way, this is new technology that will free this country from the dependence of the oil cartel. I was going to use ASD to advertise my new products and guess what, you shut down ASD and took that option away from me. I knew that I was guaranteed to get people driven to my site because of the way that ASD was set up. Now I will have to use google or some other method to adv. that will cost a lot of money with no guarantee of anything. (Why don’t you go after google as a ponzi, I guess because they chose not to share with the masses)
I certainly hope and pray that you will talk to some people that can tell the difference between a ponzi scheme and a great business model. I am very confident that if you do this, ASD will be vindicated and this will not be dragged out by the system until all the money is gone because you are protecting us from unscrupulous people. If you care to check it out what I’m talking about, all you have to do is go back to the AMWAY case that the government shut down, only to be proven wrong. It will be no shame or embarassment to admit that you were wrong, only if you choose to ignore the facts and be proved wrong.
August 18th, 2008 at 6:55 am
i’m amazed at the psychology of this.
i knew from the “get-go” this was a pyramid scheme. ASD sells nothing but b.s. advertizing packages LOL!
i used to do business licensing in the 80s and this was definitely a pyramid scheme.
you won’t see your $$$ back.
let this be a lesson!
no matter how much you cheerlead this company it won’t do anything!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:28 am
it’s not a SCAM it Will be back Soon
August 20th, 2008 at 8:31 am
I write to you tonight because even though I see that you are in search of the truth like we all are, I didn’t find it fair that you posted the links to the youtube videos from those impatient members, specially that “wanna be reporter” claiming “ASD” stole his $20,0000 (So what? I have $40,000 and other people have hundreds more that are frozen)… ASD doesn’t need his crappie money and they should return it with not a single penny of profit as soon as we reopen and never let him join ever again, for rattling our nerves.
Hopefully all these clowns that made youtube videos about how they read the government’s 101 pages, can apologize in making a new youtube video about the 153 page response of ASD’s attorneys (it might take them longer to read, then the Government’s old cases “copy and paste” unsubstantial filled papers, its a lot of good solid stuff. I tip my hat to Andy’s attorneys) and realize that they should sit this one out and be patient like the rest of us because they are not helping the situation, and never again do another video like if they have the inside scoop or some kind of new info they aren’t telling us.
Thanks,
Ozzie
ASD member from Miami
August 20th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
ASD Update,
I have recently had the opportunity (as well as my attorney) to review both the Governments argument filed against ASD (as posted on this forum) and the legal response recently submitted by ASD in response to the accusations. And let it be clear to all on this forum, this is most certainly, not even in the realm of an “open and shut case” for the Government. There are more wholes in the governments complaint than you will find in Swiss Cheese. The complaints to say the very least are “vague” at best. A former Attorney with Amway, longtime member of the Direct Selling Association Legal arena as well as having represented numerous MLM companies, has reviewed ASD documentation and penned his opinion. Legally speaking, ASD is NOT a Ponzi scheme. Period. This, again, from an Attorney who for the last 20 years has represented numerous clients in the Direct Selling Industry as well as being legal council for Amway for almost 10 years. Now, this does not mean ASD will “win”. But it is not going to be a “slam dunk” for the government either. Please remember, I’m not an advertising member of ASD, just someone who was/is looking into it. We’ll see where it comes out. Time will tell.
August 20th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
I would Love for you to post this, you are doing a great job putting out all and any information they give you (check my grammar first, I am Cuban and this is not my first language).
I write to you tonight because even though I see that you are in search of the truth like we all are, I didn’t find it fair that you posted the links to the youtube videos from those impatient members, specially that “wanna be reporter” claiming “ASD” stole his $20,0000 (So what? I have $40,000 and other people have hundreds more that are frozen)… ASD doesn’t need his crappie money and they should return it with not a single penny of profit as soon as we reopen and never let him join ever again, for rattling our nerves.
Hopefully all these clowns that made youtube videos about how they read the government’s 101 pages, can apologize in making a new youtube video about the 153 page response of ASD’s attorneys (it might take them longer to read, then the Government’s old cases “copy and paste” unsubstantial filled papers, its a lot of good solid stuff. I tip my hat to Andy’s attorneys) and realize that they should sit this one out and be patient like the rest of us because they are not helping the situation, and never again do another video like if they have the inside scoop or some kind of new info they aren’t telling us.
Thanks,
Ozzie
ASD member from Miami
August 20th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
according to an expert in MLM businesses and ponzi schemes, ASD is NOT a ponzi. ASD will back sooner than you think. You can find an exhibit it the court document filed by ASD’s legal team.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Ozzie you said (So what? I have $40,000 and other people have hundreds more that are frozen)…
Sucks to be you if part of that $40,000 was off the backs of poor suckers that you sucked into this Ponzi. You’re on the watch list. Remember you can’t pay back in pesos or whatever your currency is in Cuba. You got scammed by a scammer by the name of Andy Scamdoin. Better luck next time.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:38 pm
THIS IS THE EXHIBIT C SENT TO THE COURT BY LAWYER NEHRA.
AG HAS TILL MONDAY TO REPLY.THIS IS THE TRUTH ASD IS NOT A PONZI.
MUST READ!!!
manifestyourfortune.com/asdfeds/exhibitC.pdf
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:47 am
Andy Bowdoin is a genuine entrepreneur who may have made some mistakes in his long life, but he learned and tried again and his genius and generosity has proven to be far superior. He has changed for the better, the lives of many people. It surprises me to see people complain about his efforts or diminish the positive effect he has had on so many.
My business is suffering from the governments actions against ASD.
My business was thriving when I was able to advertise with ASD.
My hope remains that the government will recognize Mr. Bowdoin’s efforts to create economic growth and solid business solutions and forgive his minor offense of not being able to deal with the onslaught of growth at a speed fast enough to satisfy every human being alive. He didn’t harm anyone, he didn’t cause damage to anyone, he is 74 years old and is working to bring positive business experiences into people’s lives.
The man who created this sabotage by pretending to have been damaged by ASD is a fool and will always be. He spills his petty grief on all of us who work hard and causes suffering.
August 23rd, 2008 at 4:43 am
“the universe and human stupidity are infinite but i’m not sure about the former” einstein LOL!
you ASD cheerleaders remind me of those in stocktrading. take for example the stock OPTV which many bought at $250/share. i warned them and they cheerlead the stock all the way down to $2/share that it is currently at.
you people are just dumbasses.
i even told my housemate from the beginning it was a scam and she went in anyways. i’ve done business licensing and i can tell you for 100% this is a scam. now that it has been closed down she claims the fed. gov’t is against successful companies LOL LOL LOL!
people you are so mind-controlled. ASD sells nothing! it doesn’t have revenue from anything. advertizing packages hahahahahaha.
you people are buttheads and need to be slapped awake.
you were greedy pigs and you ended up at the butcher!
you will never see you money back! i can guarantee you that!
it amazes me the human stupidity.
YOU ARE THE VERY SAME PEOPLE THAT WOULD COMPLAIN HAD THE GOVERNMENT NOT DONE ANYTHING. NOW YOU COMPLAIN THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE CORRECT THING!
you are a bunch of whiners and the same sort of people who want a free income without hard work and research.
unbelievable that you idiots still believe in this pyramid scheme…geeze…hahahaha
August 24th, 2008 at 10:08 am
I am a retired Canadian lawyer living in Mexico.
It is my opinion as an individual that ASD Cash Generator is a pyramid scheme, although I have not done extensive research.
My opinion is based upon three facts at this point in my research:
1. I cannot find a listing for Robert Garner with the North Carolina Bar Association via the internet (see below for a quick explanation of the word ‘bar’ as it applies to attornies). The reason I can’t find a listing is that Mr. Garner’s website conveniently leaves out his actual office address and its Zip Code. Hence, I do not know if he is a licensed attorney. Since I have no intention of putting any money into ASD, I have not called the NC Bar Association to have them confirm or deny that Mr. Garner is licensed to practice law in the State of North Carolina, nor have I searched the Bar Associations in all of the US States.
If Mr. Garner is a legitimate and licensed attorney, I question why he does not have his full address and bar membership(s) listed.
(A bar association is not a bartending association. It is an association of licensed attornies. In order to legally practice law, an attorney must be a member of the bar association in the State or Province in which he or she practices law. Historically, the word ‘bar’ comes from England and the still in use configuration of many courts…only licensed attornies are allowed to sit in front of the bar which divides the public from the Judge…hence, the word, ‘barrister,’ etc.)
2. You cannot search for a specific site when you’re searching advertisers through ASD…you must allow the random search engine to do its work. A friend who is involved in ASD showed me how the ad surfing works. I am suspicious because I spent approximately 1 week, 15 minutes a day, searching ad sites. I saw few legitimate sites during my surfing efforts; most were sites for other pyramid schemes, some blatantly so.
3. You do not need your own website to become involved in ASD. You simply acquire one from another site (clickbank).
It’s sometimes difficult to distinguish a fraudulent pyramid scheme from a legitimate network marketing scheme. The fact that the people who first get involved in a scam do, in fact, make money, lures other people to the scheme, but at some point, the scheme runs out of new members and it collapses. The late-comers are the ones who lose money.
Ask yourself if you want to be responsible for other people losing money that they often can ill afford to lose.
Whether ASD is legit or a scam is important to you and to those late-comers. Do your own homework; do not rely on anecdotal reports or the opinions of others. As a first step, if I were truly interested in investing in ASD’s scheme, I would at least verify that Robert Garner is a licensed attorney. This wouldn’t be the end of my research, but it would be the beginning.
August 25th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
YOU WERE RIGHT ASD WAS A FRAUD LOOK IT UP IN YOUTUBE THE FEDS BUSTED THE PLACE IN FLORIDA…..LOTS OF PEOPLE LOST MONEY ON THIS SCAM ….ALL HELL HAS BROKEN LOOSE SEE IT HERE: LOOSE….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFQY_uBWaoY&feature=related
August 25th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
ASD WAS SHOT DOWN BY THE FEDS………..YOU WERE RIGHT !!! …ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT COMMENTED HERE AGAINST YOU AND WERE IGNORANT I BET THEY DONT HAVE THE GUTS TO EVEN SAY IM SORRY….
August 26th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Interesting is the FL law suit against ASD. Not ONE time is “Ponzi” used in their complaint. NOT ONCE. Interesting, very interesting. How does that work? The Fed’s claim it’s a “Ponzi” scheme, and FL doesn’t. This just keeps getting better and better. So let me see if I understand this correctly (feel free to help me out at any time). Every other word in the Fed suit claims Ponzi, the state of FL Never mentions Ponzi (contradictory-who is actually right?). Maybe this will help. Let’s look at a REAL PONZI scheme. Social Security is totally based on NEW money coming in to pay for EXISTING “participants”…if the “money” stops coming in” it’s done and folds. ASD on the other hand is “optional” – it’s not required (tax) to become involved in their program, like SS is (essentially) – hell, you pretty much can’t avoid getting “involved” with SS. Yeah, that part alone sounds real legal (sarcasm). Next, your hard earned money goes to pay benefits for someone else – already in the program (with MUCH less return)…and again, it’s really NOT YOUR CHOICE to participate! And what exactly is the “product” being sold here through the SS program? I don’t believe it quite qualifies as advertising – or anything else for that matter. Yeah, ASD is a total scam when compared to SS (sarcasm). I hope some of the morons on this forum can comprehend a “real” scam now. So the next logical question begs….where are the law suits against the Feds for Social Security? Come on now, let’s start it right here right now. What’s Good for the Goose is Good for the Gander…right? Let’s go! Put up or shut up…yeah, you’re just a bunch of blow hards that wouldn’t know reality if it came up an punched you in the face…but you sure know what a “scam” is don’t you (total sarcasm)?
August 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
D,
the florida attorney general called it a pyramid scheme and FRAUD!
look at tallahassee.com article as well as numerous others.
i knew this was a scam from the get-go
there are no advertising packages
without suckers putting in money to pay for the top people this thing would have eventually gone under and the majority (late ones and those that didn’t take out $$ or bring in lots of suckers) end up getting screwed.
ASD sells nothing. revenue is solely from bringing in suckers.
you are a fool!
LOL!
August 28th, 2008 at 10:58 am
“Pyramid Scheme” is NOT “Ponzi”. ASD sells nothing? It sells AD Packages. Period. I’m the fool? I’m the one who described a REAL Ponzi Scheme (as well as another poster) called Social Security. And you’re bitchin’ about ASD? Now that is truly funny! LOL! Think of “all the suckers putting money in to pay for the top people this thing would have eventually gone under and the majority (late ones and those that didn’t take out $$ or bring in lots of suckers) end up getting screwed.” You have just described Social Security. And this is COMMON KNOWLEDGE! And that makes it OK? You’ve got your head so stuck up your ass you don’t know a scam when you see one. Like I said Put up or Shut up. Start the “Rage Against the Machine” which is SS. Then you’ll have a real argument. But you’re just a puke who thinks he knows something and wants to sound “informed.” You are nothing but a joke. Hell, I’m not even in ASD and I know the difference.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:09 am
D,
you’re just trying to justify your own stupidity.
i’m not the fool. i didn’t dump money in a pyramid scheme like you did. i said from the “get-go” that this was a pyramid scheme and now ASD is being investigated.
so now you are saying i’m wrong, the FEDS are wrong and the state of florida is wrong. geeze…D you really think highly of your opinion don’t you.
fact remains i did business licensing and this is a pyramid scheme. so you can continue deluding yourself.
and social security isn’t the issue here. the issue is dumbasses like you got scammed into ASD which is a pyramid scheme. face it man…you’re a dumbass!
ASD doesn’t sell advertizing packages. it doesn’t sell anything. take away the money people put in and ASD wouldn’t even exist. that’s a pyramid scheme “pea-brain”
and why do you keep trying to divert attention to SS. that has nothing to do with this discussion. in case you didn’t notice this discussion is about the fraud called ASD.
now quit your whining and handle your losses like a man! you will never see any of your money back! GUARANTEED!
and no amount of cheerleading is gonna change the fact that both the feds and the state of florida see ASD as a fraud and a pyramid scheme.
i said it’s a pyramid scheme. the state of florida says so and so do the feds.
that’s 3 against 1 person who was stupid enough to buy into a scam.
who is the joke? did i lose any $$? nope…who is the smart one? who lost money? you you you and you!
you are a “mind-controlled” putz and you are the same sort of idiot that would respond to “money-laundering” emails or “lottery winning notification ” emails.
hurray for the feds and the state of florida…
though i disagree with the state. i don’t believe any of the $$ should be given back to those who have been scammed. the best lesson would be for the people to lose everything. sometimes a loss is the best education.
you know in stocktrading some of the best traders have had huge losses in the beginning.
you wanted to make $$ without hard work or research. now you are “a greedy pig who ended up at the butcher”
in the end mr. D you are the fool because you lost money and i didn’t.
wait and see…you’ll see nothing back….you are the fool! you are the uninformed twit. LOL!
August 29th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Nice try Bryan. Passionate I must say…however dillusional. So you’re more experienced than a 20 + year Attorney – member of the Direct Sellers Association (20 + years) who’s sole “job” is to approve (so to speak) multi-level programs and/or make sure they are “legal”…the lead council for Amway for 10 years? Who’s affidavit states ASD is not Illegal. I’m not the one who has an “ego” problem. I’m also not “coming late to the party” like you are. For if you read my posts, you would know…I have not purchased anything from ASD – I have lost NO money. Can ya get that through your thick head? Whatever credibility you think you have – you don’t. I have also stated, ASD may NOT come out of this. With idiots like you running around – and without a doubt running the Govt’s case, it’s a long shot at best. Again, if you’d have read my earlier posts, you’d know this. Sorry dude, you lose.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:03 am
i don’t care if you’re donald trump LOL! and i doubt anyone who is a lawyer would be wasting their time posting on this forum. LOL!
like i said…the FEDS, state of florida and i know better.
you’ll see…noone will see their money back…once the gov’t investigates it’s already been decided…SCAM!
how old are you? only teenagers use the term “dude” LOL!
and obviously you have money in ASD because why would you be wasting your time “cheerleading” it.
you are quite the clown..hahahaha
by the way…like i said…take away the $$ the people put in and what is left?
answer my question…
and if there are advertizing packages show me…
like i said…you are a mind-controlled dumbass..
and if you did have a law degree (which i doubt highly) you must have gotten it out of a cracker jack box LOL!
it’s been real butthead but i don’t need to convince you.
it is the way it is. ASD is a pyramid scheme and you got scammed..otherwise you wouldn’t be wasting your time on this forum..
GOTCHA!
August 30th, 2008 at 10:14 am
oh D and by the way…
the truth in the USA is pretty lacking from people….so..if you were a lawyer for 20 years why don’t you put a link to your credentials for all to see. obviously you would have had a website since internet has been around for quite awhile now..hehe
tell the truth D…you live with your mother and don’t work and thought you’d get rich quick by putting your mother’s money in ASD and now you’re screwed
LOL…
you’re such entertainment value..sigh…
August 30th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
I am a dumbass, I live in my parent’s basement, and I lost all my money in ASD.
August 31st, 2008 at 1:26 pm
I never said I was a lawyer. I’m not losing ANY money in ASD – I never put any money in – nor have any of my friends or family. “Dude” was to bring you into reality – get you to wake up to what I have already stated. The purpose of explaining SS to you, was to show a real scam, and how that is TRULY different from ASD…and they are going to shut ASD down, while no one cares about the big picture. Yet you’re so stupid because you think you’ve found a REAL scam in ASD. Read my posts. The SS “Scheme” collapses when people stop putting money in. They ARE NOT buying a product or service. It’s a MONEY game. At least ASD was/is OPTIONAL, and involved the purchase of a product or service – ADVERTISING. Now, if some choose to take advantage of the “advertising” by posting their “My Space” page, or some other “joke” of a site – that is unfortunate. However, they were advertising a site – you don’t have to like the site. I’m simply trying to wake people up to an example of a real scam -SS. That is why I stated “Put Up or Shut Up” – and I can see you can’t put up anything. So you need to do the latter of the two. You haven’t proven me wrong – factually at all. Where is the rage about SS? – that’s a REAL scam. And no one here seems upset at all. That is my point. A lot of “talkers”, but no “walkers”. Again, you lose Dude. Scream all you want. You can’t argue my points…Hell, you can’t even read my points…because if you did, you would know I never claimed to be a lawyer boy genius.
September 1st, 2008 at 12:07 pm
# D Says:
August 30th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
“I am a dumbass, I live in my parent’s basement, and I lost all my money in ASD.”
Nice Bryan…. Ok, now you have gone too far. I did not post the above message. Again, Bryan cannot prove anything, so he continues to rant about nothing. Dude, you’re a loser. Who’s the one living in his parents basement? The childish one who posts under another persons name…that would be you Bryan. LOL!
September 3rd, 2008 at 7:50 am
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES PEOPLE!!!
Uncle ANDY SCAMDY almost had me with his video introduction, along with his lawyer. I bet you many people got brain washed, just by looking at their presentation.
This whole thing was an investment scam,buying ad packages was the lure and to cover up. Who would want to advertise to a bunch of surfers(untargeted traffic) who has no intention of buying anything from the asd rotator, other than just click and wait for the 15 sec timer to get their rebates??
$1 For a visitor is in any case way to much, in the hope that someone will buy from your site, whatever that may be.
These people that say they have made alot of sales through the asd system, dont know what their talking about.
The only good return you will receive is the rebates or whatever Andy call them, not for sales you made from your personal website, or affiliate programs period?
Sorry for the people who got caught up in yet another scam/ponzi, especially the ones who have deposited huge amounts into this.
But i have no mercy for the cheerleaders, and heavy hitters, leave the country coz you have no friends or family left. Start a new life in Alaska, Greenland or any other place with no people around.
September 4th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
all you fucs out there who say they have been in business lic. and lawyers and all that shit, grow up! i could give a rats ass what you do.does your shit not stink people, and yes that includes you bryan? if that is your real name. Everybody talks so big and bad on the internet when in reality they are pansies. Im not even a member of this asd thing and people going back and forth ranting and raving. If asd pulls out as victors bryan and all his business lic. buddies will be throwing their money in to make some money. this is what i dont understand…….asd has checks to put in the bank before the office got raided. The “government” raids the office and then decides to cash these checks. so which one ripped 100,000 people off. the government needs the money to operate just like a business does. thats why the govenment has lawyers for its behalf, TO MAKE MONEY. what do you think is going to happen if asd loses, do you fucing retards think the government is going to give everybody’s money back …..NO. they are in it for the 54 million dollars at stake. (we need a couple more 2000lb bombs to drop in afgahistan). wake up people this is what a country does to make extra income. oh and bryan go back to working at walmart becuse you dont know shit about business lic. or you would still be in that career wouldnt you. did you get fired for sleeping on the job. oh wait isnt business lic. company a government entity.
September 4th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
ASD was a ponzi. There’s no doubt about it. However, it was masterfully engineered to be prosecution proof. Andy sold advertisements to legitimize the underlying ponzi activities. In a classic ponzi, no products are purchased, and early investors are paid with revenues collected from new investors, all of whom are promised a large return. Andy took the classic ponzi, and modified it to create the illusion of legitimate business transactions (selling ad packages). Further, he tweaked the terminology and changed ‘investment’ to ‘ad package purchase’. The ‘return on investment’ was changed to ‘rebate’. Of course, it was all smoke and mirrors. There are too many ASD members on record who openly admit that their payments were for the sole purpose of getting a return, and not for the purchase of advertising space.
October 5th, 2008 at 2:30 am
I heard about this a while back. The surprising thing is that someone I really trusted recommended this. The stuff people fall for is unbelievable.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Hi Folks!
Sorry I haven’t been able to make the Koolaid lately, but there were plenty of you do’n it for me.
Just stopped run’n from the law for a minute with an update on ASD. I’m on to another venture, and running as fast as I can. (from the law)
All I can say is it was a good ride, now I’ve gotta keep mov’in.
See Ya!
December 17th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Well I had been searching and searching and it’s difficult to find a site that isn’t trying to sell me something that talks about this.
I was honestly trying to give companies like that the benefit of the doubt, but no matter where I looked, I never got any straight answers. All I got was the same vague stuff.
I feel a little more confident that I won’t get sucked into anything.
Plus I got some amusement out of it. *looks at above reply* :]
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:35 am
how is going on now??