ASD Ad Cash Generator Scam
Ok, I am making this post to warn as many people as I can about these scammers. Anyhow, you have probably come across this new autosurf program called ASD Cash Generator or formerly known as AdSurfDaily owned by Andy Bowdoin. Well, I highly suggest you to stay away from them and NOT invest any of your hard earned money into this company.
First of all, they are classic ponzi scheme because money is being paid out from new members investing to the old members who already earned their credits and are ready to cash out. This scam is growing fast and there are more and more people cashing out, so they need more new members to cover all the payouts.
Do you remember 12dailypro? This is almost the exact same thing. I honestly believe that this ASD Cash Generator deal is going to be shut down very soon by the FTC. I hope those people will go to jail!
The problem is that so many people out there are trying to cover it up and make it sound like a legitimate work at home program. I call them “cheerleaders” :) Those people have no morals and they will say anything you want to hear just so you spend your money.
There is going to be a lot of people who will loose money with this crap once it goes down. In my opinion it’s an already sinking ship.
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July 11th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Were you scammed with this? You must be talking from experience; otherwise, this could be considered slander without proof to back it up.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Dee, I don’t have to have any experience with it. This is my blog and I can say whatever I feel like. In my opinion it’s a scam, classic ponzi. I hope I can save people from dumping their hard earned money into this bullshit. Seriously, this company is destined to fail and it will - just give it few more months or even less than that. I guarantee you that once the ASD Cash Generator gets shut down and whole bunch people loose money, they will come back here and cry about it. Right now you guys will defend it because you think it’s making you money, but there are some that will get ripped off, and loose their savings. Please do yourself a favor and put your money back in the bank! It will be much safer there, trust me on that one.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
–”Please do yourself a favor and put your money back in the bank! It will be much safer there, trust me on that one.”–
Money isn’t safe in banks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
I think ASD is a scam, plenty of people in my church are involved in it and although they have made a ton of money from it, pretty soon they will loose it all when ASD gets shut down and their greed gets the best of them.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Pawel,
You are dumber than you look which isn’t easy to do. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Learn the ASD program before you embarrass yourself even more. ASD is an amazing business and 100,000 + people are generating great money advertising their websites. ASD is going to be the LARGEST advertising company in the world in two years. Let’s chat again then idiot.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Kevin,
The only one who is making himself look like an idiot is YOU. This program is a scam and you all know it. Come on cheerleaders, join the discussion and show us some proof of all the claims the company is making. They are going to get shut down sooner or later. You can bet on that! In fact, I believe that ASD will not survive 6-7 more months.
Kevin, if you think that ASD is going to be the LARGEST advertising company in the world then you seriously need to go and get your head checked out.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:57 am
WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!
ASD Cash Generator.
WATCH YOUR POCKET BOOK.
I’m warning everwhere I can.
It’s made up of a bunch of tail chasers.
People ignoring websites so theirs will be ignored.
Makes a lot of sense, but then common sense isn’t very common is it?
The only ones who profits are Andy Bowdoin and his cronies.
I bought an ad package.
Right on the ASD website they say:
“If you purchase an ad package and it doesn’t show up on your purchase to email support”
I got the receipt for my ad package and guess what?
NO ad package. Makes you wonder why they make that statement.
I have repeatedly put in support tickets but they refuse to reply even after 1 month.
I emailed that scam artist Any Bowdoin and he also refuses to address my issue and so does Alert Pay.
I think both ASD and their co-conspirator AlertPay are scamming people who sign up with the smaller ad packages.
YES, warning to everyone who reads these posts. Beware of those who defend ASD.
They are either the lucky few who have made larger ad purchases,
Or they are paid to surf the net refuting those who have been ripped off and are warning people.
They have to protect their interest at all cost.
I’m just glad I didn’t come into it with the full $12,000.
I would have been on a couple of flights and you would have read about me in the newspapers. I’m burning HOT and ready to… _ _ _ _.
JUST WATCH YOUR ASS… POCKET OR PURSE.
Randy Anderson
Ripped-off in Arizona by ASD - Andy Bowdoin.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:13 am
Randy, I am sorry to hear that. Would you mind telling us how much money have you lost with them?
This is a perfect example of how this company operates. They even tried to say that they teamed up with Google, which is a total LIE! I hope Google sues them for that statement. What a joke
July 13th, 2008 at 5:54 am
ASD has File a 10 Million Dollar Law Suit Against http://www.mlmwatchdog.com and Harold Cook, 2410 Cinco Woods, San Antonio, TX 78259 on Friday of last week. As soon as the information is available I will forward it to you.
Internet Chat Forums are filled with Rumors, Gossips, and Opinions (including this one)…
What every person need to determine when going through all the Posts and comments is to answer this question: Is this statement a FACT or an OPINION.
You’ll find that the overwhelming number of statements made about ASD are Opinions not grounded on any real facts…and if you ask the person making the statement to provide real factual data to support their statements, they will typically ignore your request and move on to the next “Opinion Statement”.
ASD’s Chief Counsel Attorney Robert Garner has put out on the web a for the Public a Legality Statement that EVERYONE can read, including every Regulatory Agency in the USA and Abroad, the FBI, CIA, …available to EVERYONE…
Robert Garner has a Law Office and is online:
garnerlawoffice.com
If you go Online to his Law Office, it is VERY CLEAR that he is a SEC Attorney, who have clients in multiple locations including outside the USA.
SO…ask yourself this question:
You have a real life Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Attorney who has his Law Firm’s Reputation on the Line (www.garnerlawoffice.com) making a Public Statement to support ASD’s Legality that EVERYONE (EVERY ATTORNEY, JUDGE, FBI AGENTS) can read.
Does it make sense that a SEC Attorney put his whole Law Firm’s Reputation, Credibility, and Potential Jail time over a well known PONZI SCHEME as some ASD Basher’s have claimed?
Who has more credibility?
The Published legal statement of a SEC Attorney putting his Law Firm’s Credibility and Reputation on the Table or the “Expert Legal Opinions” of ASD Bashers on the Discussion Forums?
So the next time you read a person’s OPINION that “ASD is a PONZI Scheme” or ASD is “Illegal Scam”, ask them a few questions such as this:
If ASD is an “Illegal SCAM” then either:
A) Robert Garner is either an idiot SEC Attorney who have no clue what a Ponzi scheme is (but does business with the SEC)…or
B) Robert Garner is intentionally and purposely part of this SCAM and is putting his Law Firm’s Reputation and Law Career out there with an “Illegal ASD Legality Statement” for every Judge, FBI, and Regulatory Agency to SHUT DOWN and land him in Jail.
Would they choose Choice A or Choice B?
July 13th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Obviously it’s a scam… Heck, a 2 year old could figure that out. A grossly overpriced “product” that NOBODY would buy for the price without the “money-game” and a big disclaimer by their attorney right up front about how they are not like 12 Daily Pro… How many more times will you people fall for another scam anyway?
July 13th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Jim,
I honestly don’t believe it’s true what you just have posted here. The article on MLMWatchDog was posted couple of days ago from what I have heard, so there is no way ASD filed a law suit against them last week. By the way, if ASD has been already posted on MLMWatchDog then you can bet that FTC is watching it already.
I don’t care what ASD says, in my opinion it’s a scam and you sure will find out very soon. I hope that IRS will make you pay taxes on all those earnings that you made even though you haven’t cashed out yet.
Quick note for those who are reading this post…Please save your money! It’s not worth it. You will get burned and possibly face jail time. Run away from these scammers.
July 14th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Any info about Clarence Busby, Jr.?
Golden Panda Ad Builder, Ltd CEO
ASD Chinese site
No luck in my research
Regards
DP
July 14th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I watch cnbc a lot.
Never heard anything about Andy B.
But I don’t lose hope.
I’ll keep checking the website below,
http://www.cnbc.com/id/18057119/
DP
July 15th, 2008 at 8:56 am
I am getting in. I have just too many friends making way too much money for it to be untrue. Granted, no one should ever invest everything in just one place. But my friends are getting rich while I try to find facts supporting the claims that it is a scam.
So far, all I have seen is “whiners” like this one, with no facts to base his claims.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Adam,
Of course there are some that made money. That’s how a ponzi operates. The people who join early usually profit at others’ expense. So if you join you want to ask yourself this…Can I live with the fact that some lost their savings so I could profit? What’s your answer? I have heard that people are dumping their entire savings accounts on this crap, taking out their CDs etc. It’s a sad story. I guess I can’t criticize those who truly don’t know it’s a scam and join it from desperation to make some fast buck. Some people just really don’t know that it’s a scam. Let’s just see what happens with it in the next 2-3 months. I have a feeling that the end of ASD is just around the corner.
By the way, there are already people who reported that ASD is not paying out, and don’t answer support tickets. Seems like they are more concerned about the members who deposited the most money and leave the small fish hanging without support.
Just wait and see
July 16th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Pawel,
Be careful what you say, I’ve been a member now for 3 weeks and turned 10 grand into over 20k with rebates and commissions. I met Andy the CEO at the Miami rally last weekend 7/12/08. If he a scammer than all 6000+ people are crazy like me? By the way do you even know who this man is awarded the Medal of Distinction by President Bush last month. Heads the board of one of a very large domain reseller. go…..
Better get your facts straight or he will be gunning for you too.
Any of you readers out there want to call me 321-984-7223 Robert, Leave a message if I’m not there I’ll return your call and explain how this company runs its business. fact in the last 3 weeks I’ve had over a thousand visitors to my web site. I’d normally get 2 to 3 a day before ASD
it works its good and its changed my life dramatically for the better.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:33 am
You mentioned the exorbitant cost of the ASD service at $1 per click…hmmmmm….I know of many who pay far more than that per click through other services for far less exposure and certainly not with exposure to a “targeted market” like ASD advertising provides… $1 per click is cheap. I personally am advertising a site for my daughter’s toothbrush biz…before ASD it got zero exposure…since ASD she is selling 5-10 $18.95 toothbrushes PER DAY! Does ASD advertising work? A resounding yes…and I have proof. And isn’t this what this is all about..buying advertising and sharing all the revenue with members to provide incentives to attract more business. Perhaps if Google had done this their stock would not be $800 per share and thousands of “members” would be financially free as well and Google stock would be at $350 a share. Newspapers should also follow this model…no wonder they are pissed…ASD is stealing their revenue … and rightly so! No wonder they control the media and can move public opinion…they keep all the advertising profits sharing nothing with those who made them the monster they are.
July 16th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Rober,
Please show me proof of that he got that award. Also, from what I understand you can get that award by helping raise money for the political party. So even if he got one it must have been old news and not relevant to the fact that ASD is a scam in my opinion. You say you made 20K from 10K, so the company pays out more than what they take in?? Sounds like a ponzi and smells like it too. You say that you got thousands of visitors, but those are just folks that are simply going through 24 sites so they can get paid. They don’t give a shit about what you are selling. It’s the money game that they care about.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I’m surprised this opportunity hasn’t generated much blogging until now. Whether this is a Ponzi or a pyramid scheme or something else is irrelevant. What is relevant is whether this is a sustainable business model. The important question all should ask is “where are all the huge profits coming from?”. Are they coming from real value-added advertizing or from other members contributions? C’mon - be honest - you know the answer.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Shame on you for bashing someone that is helping us Americans live the financially secure American Dream. Andy is my friend, know him and his wife personally and they have a fundamental testimony, love of the Lord Jesus Christ, and should be praised for the revenue they make available for those that want the opportunity. We have made quite much and are free from debt, thanks to his program. Not said with the Panda site— CEO is a scam artist, I hear and have researched. Thanks for your time
July 16th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Bev, honestly I feel sorry for those who joined it and got sucked into this deal. I guess time will tell, so all we can do right now is sit and wait to see how long will it take for FTC to shut it down.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
What is amazing is that anyone can open up a blog and slander a company for whatever reason without the single most important factor, PROOF!!
For Instance, doing some Due Diligence, joining the company, putting your money in (never put in more than you can afford to lose), attending conference calls, conventions or rallies and seeing in fact if you get scammed or not. You based your statements from a program that was around about 2 yrs ago (12 Daily Pro) and because that program did the wrong thing now no other surfing program can exist by doing the right thing??
How do you explain the “Medal Of Distinction”??
How do you explain 120,000 + members??
How do you explain a supposed scam file a Multi Million Dollar Lawsuit against slanderer (such as yourself)??
How do you explain a supposed scam having rallies where you actually meet the President and CEO and they have give up to 100% matching bonuses to new or existing members with $500 or more an ad package purchases??
Why would a supposed scam artist reveal his identity??
Why would a supposed scam buy a new building which requires more employees to offset the influx of new members and cash flow??
Why does ASD have the Attorney General’s blessings??
Why would a supposed scam have you file a W9 form???
williambuckley.name/2008/07/do-you-want-to-know-what-andy-bowdoin.html
williambuckley.name/2008/07/asd-cash-generator-and-andy-bowdoin.html
Now I know what you’re going to say…”Do I have proof of my statements”?? Yes, I’m a member, I listen to the conference calls, I have done my Due Diligenge on the internet, I read the breaking news from the company, I have an upline that keeps me informed and I understand how ASD’s plan works which does not rely on new members to pay existing members which would be a ponzi. All types of business are advertised at ASD which is great exposure for the advertisers and make some money viewing other member’s “Brick and Mortar” or online opportunity.
At this point, you will now call me a cheerleader because it goes against everything you have said. OK, whatever.
So for those members who have posted that they have had a problem with ASD and sending in support tickets, did you contact your upline?? How about another member of ASD who’s not in your upline?? I’m sure that anyone who is in this program would be willing to help you with your issue to try to get it resolved.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Zeus,
The whole problem is that ASD Cash Generator can’t survive if they stopped accepting new members who pay the money to surf. This is why they are trying to expand to other countries now. I’ve heard that they want to open a portal for China. I know that their government most likely will not allow something like this and will prosecute their citizens if they get involved. Can you live with that? You say that those that are having problems with ASD should contact other members or they upline??? Why in the hell would they have to do that? Why can’t they get an answer from the company? What is going on? I hope you were just kidding
July 17th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Zeus,
Hmmm. If it turns out that Pawel is correct in his assertions and you are wrong, then should you be guilty of aiding and abetting a criminal and racketeering?
BTW, your supporting arguments are not proof. And 120,000 members CAN be wrong. Ever read about the support for Hitler before the war?
I really don’t think there is any malice in this discussion - just a genuine concern that this may be very risky and I, for one, don’t want ANYONE to bet their mortgage payments or their 401K’s on this.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
I, for one, have made a lot of money with ASD. Five figures in my personal checking account already and counting. Six figures in three months. I have 15 people in my downline all up 5 figures already…profit! I don’t think 120,000 + members all making great money advertising their website to the world is a scam. Just curious, who is getting scammed? 119,998 happy members and two boneheads that complain on blogs.
I guess any idiot can have a blog but you really should know what you are talking about before posting this nonsense. This company is taking in 8 figures PER WEEK and I am glad to be a part of it at the ground floor level because we will have a million members by the end of the year. Sorry you naysayers are jealous and missing the boat. Your loss.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Jim,
You are missing a very important point here. As I said there are people making money with it…sure….but the company has no real proof of earnings from other sources. Where is the money coming from? We all know how this works
More new members = more capital to payout to existing members. So if you made what you claim you did, then someone else along the way will probably loose money. Oh and by the way, I wouldn’t be so sure that the company will still be around by the end of this year 
July 18th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Although my sister has made her initial investment back and a good amount more in just a couple months, I am leery. I’ve been trying to research the business model to understand how income will continue to be generated when there are not many new members to add. I can’t find it. I am looking and finding a lot of people saying it is great or it is a scam, but not an explanation of how this is a long-term sustainable business. It seems to me that the members, as a whole, have to spend more than they invest in order for it to make money. That’s if I understand this correctly. The lack of clear answers on this really makes me want to try to talk my other sisters out of putting their savings in this!
July 18th, 2008 at 12:57 am
ASD Cash Generator Considered Fraud
http://www.tulsatoday.com/newsdesk/…..Itemid=2
I want proof there are 120,000+ members.
I want proof Fortune 500 companies are advertising with ASD.
I want proof the founder received some presidential honor in Washingtion, DC.
I want proof the founder has the utmost integrity.
I want a frickn’ website that can stay up for more than 5 seconds.
Explosive growth is no excuse for a crappy performing website.
Who could possibly trust their money with this fly-by-night website?
HOPE has NO place in investing (oops, it’s not investing!), period. Facts are all that matter.
And how come God always comes into play with these things? This isn’t church.
What is wrong with just hard work and innovation anymore? Has this country stooped to this low of level where easy money is mindset of the many?
July 18th, 2008 at 1:00 am
wow, you all need to get your facts straight before you slander Andy and ASD. Andy is a man in great Integrity and honesty. He is a great business man with a lot of smarts. He DID file a suit and you better believe those slandering him and his company will pay. I and my husband are business owners and we advertise (not invest!) with ASD. We have had tons of hits to our site and I do look at others site and not ignore them. if you choose not to look at others sites then you do not get a rebate back for the day you did not look at others sites. It is not a ponzi scheme. It is purely legit. Why, by the way, (to the one who said it) would the IRS tax us for all the money we did not cash out? if we buy more ad packs every day with our cash balance that we earned in rebates then we are reinvesting our money back into our business that we are advertising. If you have any business sense at all you would know that you do not pay taxes on that. You do, however, pay taxes on any money you cashout and take home. That is why you file a W9 with ASD. It is for tax purposes. (duh) I think anyone who hates ASD is jealous. Why not try it. You can purchase as little as $10 in ad packs to advertise your business. That is not a lot of money at all. Seriously, would you whine about $10? You won’t lose it anyway. You are advertising your business. You would get 10 hits to your site for $10. no matter what happens, you have lost nothing. You got 10 people to look at your site. That is, after all, what you paid for.
I think you all need to seriously do research on the FACTS before you point fingers and start spreading your lies. You can be sued for the lies. Watch what you say. All you are stating are opinions and not facts. Anyone who is smart would realize this. It breaks my heart to see all these lies spread about Andy Bowdoin. He is a wonderful man. Stop into the Offices in Quincy FL if you feel that strongly about your opinion. Seriously. If you are going to set up a campaign against someone, shouldn’t you meet this someone face to face before you try to slaughter them? Go to the office and talk to the people who work there and set up a meeting with Andy. If he is there you would probably get a chance to talk with him. Grow up, and go speak face to face with the person you are bashing. Stop all this immature “blogging” and cowardly approach.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:26 am
a friend,
LOL, you can’t post your name? I won’t even respond to your post. It’s all just rah…rah…rah hahaha
July 18th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Lewis,
Thank you for posting this link to TulsToday. Now it’s clear that the wheels are turning and ASD is about to be gone
Hopefully more media outlets will pick this up, so the members that are trying to defend it realize what’s going on.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:40 am
“Andy is a man in great Integrity and honesty. ”
Really? How do you know? Have you known him for many years? This is cut and paste from other forums.
“He DID file a suit and you better believe those slandering him and his company will pay.”
Whatever. Once this thing gets shutdown ASD will have plenty of their own lawsuits to pay. This is cut and paste from other forums.
“We have had tons of hits to our site and I do look at others site and not ignore them. ”
$1 per ad _view_ is rape.
“You do, however, pay taxes on any money you cashout and take home.”
You made money. It was an investment then.
“I think anyone who hates ASD is jealous. ”
No. I am on a personal mission though because I have a family member that takes his advice from ‘friends’ that wave dollar signs in front of his face instead of looking at facts… and then gets mad at me because I try to uncloud his mind of fantasy.
“You can purchase as little as $10 in ad packs to advertise your business. That is not a lot of money at all. ”
Yes it is. It’s rape. $1 per ad _view_ is rape. _view_ is not the same as click-through. Big difference.
“I think you all need to seriously do research on the FACTS before you point fingers and start spreading your lies. ”
I think you need to come back to reality and realize the truth. The truth being that this thing claims these unstustainable percentages… and the website is always down or slower than a snail.
“It breaks my heart to see all these lies spread about Andy Bowdoin. He is a wonderful man. Stop into the Offices in Quincy FL if you feel that strongly about your opinion.”
Sure, I’ll book a flight down there tonight. Which office do I go to? The house or the 4-story building?
“Grow up, and go speak face to face with the person you are bashing. ”
I won’t have to. The SEC will probably be doing plenty of face-to-face meetings.
Look, here is ASD in a nutshell:
1) Buy ad packages for an outragous $1 per ad _view_.
2) Be forced to surf canned websites to burn ads so people have to buy new ad packages.
3) Pay people at the top at the expense of people at the bottom.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Lewis,
Great post! You nailed it
Those people need a wake up call. The only thing I am worrying about is the poor people who just simply don’t know better and dumped their hard earned money into this money game. When ASD goes down some people will loose their savings. Very sad.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:06 am
These programs (schemes) come and go and I mostly ignore them, but like I said in my previous post, this one got personal when my family member, who is like my big brother (uncle actually) got a little snappy at me when I wanted to know exactly which Fortune 500 companies are advertising with ASD. (This is a rumor; I have yet to see facts.)
It actually hurt that he would value the advice of ‘friends’ waiving dollar signs in front of his face more than the advice from me, which was basically to find out the facts first before jumping in.
These things do nothing but tear families apart. The only people to make real money are the ones that got in first at the top.
Innovate people. Work hard. Earn money. Make America great. You will appreciate it much more.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
have not known Andy personally but I do have a friend of 13 years who speaks with Andy on a daily basis. I also know people who are older gentlemen who have known Andy for many, many years.
There are no unsustainable percentages to maintain. Where do you gt your facts from/ (cut and paste from other forums!!?) They say that is is anywhere from .5%-8% and lately it has been an average of 1% of your ad packs a day (the rebates) They have other forms of revenues coming into the company and not just ad packs. Seriously. Get the facts. Get to know what hey do to figure out what the percentages will be for the day. It is all based on the outside revenues not ad packs bought. And they take the total revenue and divide it in half and then divide that by all the people in the company with active ad packages and come up with the percentage. That is why they will never go under and Andy is a genius.
I do not cut and paste from other forums. I speak in my own words.
I call myself a friend because I am almost ashamed that I even read the lies in this forum. I wanted to know what all the hub bub was about from other friends of mine that have said to me that people are lying about Andy. I do not want to associate my name with a forum that speaks lies.
My husband and I make money at this. We chose to roll over our money right now and when we reach a certain point we would start to take it ot. I have friends who have taken cash out already and are doing very well. My husband and I currently make approx $300 a week. Not too shabby for only a few minutes on the computer. The ads I look at are not scams. I have seen Delta and Tupperware consultants and other hard working consultants advertising their business with ASD. In fact, My Avon business has already picked up 3 new customers since I started with ASD in April. I am ding well with my advertising my Avon business with ASD. The bigger companies that come in will pay for advertising with ASD and not get rebates percentages back. That is yet another form of revenue coming into the company. That is how they pay their members.
You say, Lewis, that you do not need to go to the office and speak with Andy in person or others n the office because the SEC will soon. Tat is just a lame excuse. If I were truly concerned about a company I would go to the company and check it out before making claims. it does not matter that you think the SEC will be there. You are chickening out by not visiting yourself. If you are on some so called mission then do the right and grown-up thing and visit the office before you make anymore false claims. Show everyone here that you are a big person and a smart person and do ALL the research necessary before slandering someone.
July 18th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
A.friend -
Oh! So now they have other revenue streams supporting the incredible profits. I didn’t know. Doesn’t say anything about that on their web site that I am aware of. Perhaps you would be so kind as to inform us where that information can be found. And here I thought this was a self-sustaining enterprise in it’s own right.
July 18th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
I’ve been researching this for a few days and the biggest thing that sticks out to me is “Where does the money come from?”
You need to view 24 crap sites a day for a month; that’s 720 views, or $720 people have paid into this just to get back your $10. AND that’s just to break even. (From what I see) The only way to start trickling in some money is refer people to buy more ad credits under you, and earn pennies on their dollars, and so on and so on, til you’re scraping bottom.
I dont want to rip off the poor and make the rich richer, just I can make a quick buck. Youre right Pawel, i dont have the heart. Show me a system where I can rip off the rich!
There is something that caught my I think might be similar: adpsyclone or ad tornado, some crap. beware unless you’re greedy like the rest…
July 18th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
“My Avon business has already picked up 3 new customers since I started with ASD in April.”
An ad in your local newspaper would probably get you a better return on your money. Only 1 new customer per month is not very many.
$1 per page _view_ is rape and is at many many times the market rate.
Nobody in their right mind, that was using this really for advertising, would hope their website was viewed by a few people (currently only 120,000 I’m told) for an outragous $1 each _view_ when Yahoo/Google/MSN can advertise to millions and only charge when someone actually clicks on the ad, and for a fraction of the cost I might add.
The inflated cost of the ads in this self contained ecosystem are only to provide payouts (but don’t call this an investment!).
By the way, is there a way for non-members to view the websites in the ad rotation? If not, why would anyone even think of using this for advertising? (I know the answer; it’s not really for advertising, deep down. It’s to go through the motions to burn ads so more people buy ad packages to keep money flowing in for payouts.)
“If you are on some so called mission then do the right and grown-up thing and visit the office before you make anymore false claims. Show everyone here that you are a big person and a smart person and do ALL the research necessary before slandering someone”
Why would I waste my money to buy a plane ticket? I should just be able to go to the website and see all the facts; but no, the website is usually down or so unbearably slow, nobody could ever finish their daily forced/pretend surfing in one day.
What are these 120,000 people advertising anyway? Toothpicks and pet rocks for sale? Maybe some of their kids’ used clothing? (I bet 99% go out and have a website made up just to be in the system.)
I’m just thinking a little bit instead of my mind being clouded by $$$.
July 18th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
I don’t know if ASD is a scam or not, but it does appear that the people who have invested in the program are willing to ignore all logic and support the program like it’s some sort of cult. But you know the saying: if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.
The main reason I’m replying is that I’m so sick of ASD members talking about Andy Bowdoin’s “Medal of Distinction”. This medal is awarded by the Republican Congressional Committee, not by the President. Anyone who contributes a bunch of money or time to the RCC can get a medal of distinction. It’s a reward, not an award, and receiving it has nothing to do with a person’s character. In fact, this year another recipient of the award is in jail right now on drug charges.
Time will tell is ASD is legitimate or not. I’m sitting this one out for now.
July 19th, 2008 at 6:04 am
have you ever been ripped off? doesn’t feel good right? but you live ,you learn to live with it, and you learn from your mistakes! so who cares? not me as long as you get what you put in what does it matter? if you think its a scam than put in $10, if you loose it tough luck! life is way harder than that im sure you’ll recover it somehow…alot of people here are talkin sh*t and can not back it up with cold hard facts! for those of you who have made thousands of dollars with ASD i tip my hat to you! for those of you sitting on the sidelines posting these bull**t blogs and talking sh*t about people you dont know or are to pu**y to confront face to face for the real facts do yourselves a favour and shut the f**k up cause your not doing anything to change the world believe me! do you think anyone gives a flying f**k if your backed up on morgage payments or if you are struggling to put your kids through college? im sorry to break it to you so publicly but NO! nobody cares its a dog eat dog world out there so take care of yourselves and your families and learn to look the other way and bite your tongue if you think something is up! because 98% percent of the time you wont have the time or resources to take care of these problems
take care.
July 19th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Sorry that my last post was incomplete. Hit the wrong button! I think the best thing I have heard above is ‘TIME WILL TELL’ whether the ASD business is sustainable or not. Some are assuming ASD will fail because earlier internet ‘opportunities’ of a similar nature (that ended up being ponzis) have failed. This makes sense to compare similarities, although one must also look for differences to be completely fair. The evidence that all here are looking for can be looked for and found, one way or the other. I am an ASD member that joined in April 2008. That is 18 months after the company was launched (which was November 2006). I am making money every day with ASD now, my debts are decreasing and I am putting money in the bank. I am making a living now with ASD, even though I could do it in other ways (and partially I do). I have friends that are doing the same. So the idea that the early ones in are the only ones who are making money from ASD does not really hold water if I can come in 18 months later and make steady money. Accusations are really a bit premature here if the person posting has not really looked and seen what this particular company is up to, what they have done and what they have planned. The BBB website for example (which I have read as part of my Due Diligence on ASD) lists 3 complaints about ASD, all of which have been resolved. I know there have been problems, I have experienced some as well, but my 2-3 issues and those of my immediate group have all been resolved. And ASD now runs a SUPPORT line on two shifts, one during business hours and one to 11 PM EST. I would consider that a company that is trying hard to resolve customer issues. If you want evidence of the BBB statement above, it is available on the BBB website (check it via Google). It was mentioned above that payouts from ASD were behind and that there were various excuses given for that such as problems with the website. I attest it is true that payouts were 2 weeks behind, as my personal payouts WERE 2 weeks behind up to about 4 days ago. They have now been caught up completely. I can not speak for anyone but myself and my immediate friends that are in ASD. They are telling me their payments are being caught up as well. As to the website, yes it has been a real pain at times. But ASD has now just contracted an advanced IT company to build a new website so that it will be reliable and speedy for up to millions of members. That is new news from only 2 days ago. ASD has taken in a lot of money as is covered above. And I too at one point was concerned about the sustainability of the company, as I am an investor for a living and did my due diligence like anyone else. ASD however has now formed a real estate division that will start to purchase distressed properties at a HUGE discount. This is a very sensible thing to invest in, especially if you have tens of millions of dollars in reserves and can get the best discounts by buying properties at 50% or more off. And then can afford to hold onto them for a while, improve them or resell even at the lower market prices we have today. With todays market this makes sense as an income stream that can generate multi-millions of dollars in profits for the ASD business per year. This all helps sustainability, which was my main concern earlier. Why would an internet advertising company invest in real estate? Why would anyone? It is the most reliable wealth builder in history. It is not uncommon for large corporations to invest in other things including real estate. The most real estate rich company in the world for example is MacDonalds. This is a large part of the value of this multi billion dollar worldwide business. The only other comparison I want to make to MacDonalds is that it is a company that sells burgers. If they stopped selling burgers they would go out of business. Either with the same or new customers, they have to keep selling burgers to remain a profitable business. ASD needs to sell advertising to continue to be a successful business, whether with new or existing customers. They have a rebate system where you have to view others websites daily in order to earn the rebates on your advertising purchase costs. I personally love the system and it has drawn me to ASD. I do view others websites every single day. Some are boring, some are very interesting and I check them out in more detail. As to the integrity of Andy Bowdoin, I have met him and attended the Tampa ASD yearly convention in June (3,000 people there). I have not known him for a long time. The ASD website lists his business accomplishments. They are impressive. His background has been checked by a person who does this for a living and nothing significant was found. He is an experienced and innovative businessman with a clean record. That is enough for me for now. I will get to know him better as time goes on. Sorry this was long …. I hope the above provides at least a bit more of a balanced picture for those who are willing to look on both sides of the coin for themselves before coming to a conclusion about this business either way. I don’t mind if this post gets picked apart and bashed. I know the consequences of posting online. I only give a fair warning to anyone who posts here with false/unverified/slanderous information about ASD. They have formed a compliance division and are coming after those who seek to bring the company down with unsubstantiatd malicious rumors. So if you have something bad to say, better you be able to back it up with evidence or hold onto it until you can prove it. If you would like more information on ASD, I would be happy to provide it. Thanks for reading.
Ron
July 19th, 2008 at 10:40 am
If ASD is defined as “Web 3.0″, the internet is screwed.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Give me your phone number and name and we can have a three-way phone cal with Andy himself. You can talk to him over the phone instead of buying a plane ticket. Will not cost you a dime.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Ron, Good work. You said it so elequnetly. Good job!
July 19th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Still no one has been able to explain how this is a sustainable business. I’m really very open - not committed to either side of this debate. But my sisters are putting all their money in this, so I’m trying to understand it. I have been searching for 2 days to find anything that is sustainable. I hear that Andy is a great guy. I hear that the company is diversified so that there are other income streams. I hear that people are getting money out of this so far. But none of that is a sustainable business. It seems to me that true advertisers are not going to want to pay for advertising to people who are, in essence, getting paid to look at their sites. Someone mentioned McDonald’s as a comparison. But McDonalds offers something of value to people who want something fast to eat. How does this compare? This company is offering extremely overpriced advertising that companies could get much cheaper. I’ve looked and looked, and I can’t find a sustainable business here with some kind of value stream. I hope that is there, because I’m really going to be sad if my sisters loose all of their money, or even if they end up getting theirs, but the folks who join after them loose their money.
July 19th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
“I only give a fair warning to anyone who posts here with false/unverified/slanderous information about ASD. They have formed a compliance division and are coming after those who seek to bring the company down with unsubstantiatd malicious rumors. ”
All I want is proof of:
1) Fortune 500 companies ‘partnering’ with ASD. (Google AdWords does not count. Anyone can do this.)
2) The Presidential Medal of Distinction award.
Until I see these things, _they_ are unsubstantiated rumors and could possibly be considered false marketing if not true.
The website is either usually down or too slow to use; this has been a true statement for the past several days. This is a big problem.
We’re talking about proper handling peoples’ money here. This is serious stuff. Fiduciary responsibility.
July 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
ASD does not put in writing anything about partnering with google, the names of there other companies (including the ebook company), the photo of the Republican Medal of Distinction will never be published online ever as there is not a real photo if they have shown a photo at the rallies it has been photo shopped. ASD could easily put an end to all of the bashers if ASD was not lying. They do not need lawyers to put an end to it they just need to release the facts. IF the are telling the truth it should be easy to make all bashers look stupid.
July 19th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
My name is:
Jack Arons
Big Bend Crimes
10088 Blue Waters Road
Tallahassee, Florida 32305
H: 850-421-5791
C: 850-933-6787
ANDY BOWDOIN IS A CROOK AND HIS COMPANY IS A SCAM!
I have been waiting for over a week for Captain Andy and his so called lawyers to sue me as he promised. It is apparent that he is full of hot air. Also to all you who believe that Mr. Gardner is the corporate lawyer for this scam then how come is not a member of the Florida Bar which is required
if he intends to handle any Legal Matters for the Corporation?????
July 19th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Justin, I agree. I want them to make me look stupid.
Until then, there is no way, no how I am investing (oops, it’s not an investment!) in unsubstantiated claims and/or rumors.
Hope has no place in investing (um, I mean, not investing!).
July 19th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Ponzi or Pyramid? I don’t know, nor I am in the least bit qualified to comment on that.
The one thing I do know, is that I haven’t seen such explosive passion (on all sides — plus and minus) about a single “program” in a long, long time. It’ll be very interesting to see how this whole thing pans out.
I have to say, objectively, that with this alleged “award” that was given to ASD’s president, in actuality, was NOT what ASD’s website and its membership constituency would have you believe it was.
There are statements floating out there saying that ASD’s president was invited by George Bush and Dick Cheney personally to the White House to receive a “medal of distinction” for his esteemed contributions to business. To substantiate this, the ASD website posts no official press releases (with contact information) nor any press clippings regarding this.
When I contacted the White Office Press Office, I was told that no such award was given by the White House, nor was there any related information on ASD nor its head.
On June 17th, the Business Advisory Council (under the umbrella of the NRCC) hosted a meet and greet reception in Washington, where numerous individuals were given medals for their monetary contributions to the Republican coffers, and later given a photo op with Republican members of Congress. The following night, there was a dinner honoring George Bush (his official farewell event with the NRCC) whereby participants from the previous night’s event were invited yo attend; and more photo ops ensued.
These events were sponsored by the NRCC and NOT sanctioned by the White House. It behooves ASD and its followers to be careful what information they’re putting out there; white lies and half-truths can come back and take a bite out of their derrieres.
July 19th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I just spent a little time reading some of your past reviews. Seems as long as everyone agrees with “your” opinion, it’s right. When they don’t you call people names and such. Personally I have no respect for that, either way. One review I read was interesting and maybe others might want to look at it as well. It’s the “Scam.com Forum, What A Joke” review. Seems to me you use your site for a lot of “self” promotion, which is fine. The American way, right? We all do. And one reason I “advertise” with ASD Cash Generator.
And yes, I’m a “cheerleader” and “idiot” as you so judgmentally call us. But it’s by choice, certainly not based on advice by someone such as yourself sir. After reading your reviews I don’t think I’ll be visiting your site again, simply ran across it while doing some searches today.
And I think you calling someone a “cheerleader” is like you calling the “kettle black”.
Simply “My” opinion and I do agree on one point, “only time will tell”.
Good day.
July 19th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Butch,
Please point out to me where I called someone an idiot. Earlier I said that Kevin was making himself look like one since he called me names first. Read his post first. As far as the scam.com forum goes, yes I was upset about some things they said about me and other people I know. I have my opinion and they have theirs. This is my blog and I can say whatever I feel like. But ASD is just going to take a lot of people down with them. I mean come on, some people dumped $50K in this. I know one person that has $80K in it. We all know how this company operates and where the money is coming from. There is no product, no contracts with all those Fortune 500 companies as they claim, and the end is around the corner. I wonder what all those people who invested their savings will do after the company is gone.
July 19th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Pawel, I guess that’s a question they’ll have to answer themselves, since they made the decision to participate by “choice”. A choice they made themselves, as I did. And you did use the word “idiot” in a directed way toward another individual who doesn’t agree with your “opinion”. As I said, I personally don’t respect name calling either way in opinion blogs. We have way too much negativity as it is.
Interesting that I did a web search on Mr. Jack Arons in a post above and couldn’t find a website for his business “Big Bend Crimes”. You have to advertise a website on ASD in order to comply with the terms and conditions.
FYI, I and another individual will be personally meeting with Andy Bowdoin on Thursday of this next week. And I will have some questions for him. Several people I know have personally met with him and I have not heard one negative comment thus far. I have printed out your blog and will take it with me and have him address your issues directly. Including Mr. Aron’s comments.
I’m not saying your wrong sir, and certainly I am in no position to say you are right. But I do know several professional individuals who have certainly done their “due diligence” and are participating. Including myself.
If you are one that has missed the boat, that’s your problem. Seems it would be a great opportunity to advertise your website. If you’re right, well, you’re simply right.
Again, “only time will tell”…right?
July 19th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Butch, let me ask you again. Can you please point out where I called someone an idiot? By the way, this post was not against all members of ASD. I agree that there are people who just don’t know any better and they joined it because of desperation to make some easy money. I made this post to warn people about the company and express my opinion. I called “cheerleaders” those who are defending it knowing that it’s a scam. And I don’t think it’s that offensive either.
July 19th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Ok Pawel, I’ll try this once again sir.
Kevin,
The only one who is making himself look like an idiot is YOU. This program is a scam and you all know it. Come on cheerleaders, join the discussion and show us some proof of all the claims the company is making. They are going to get shut down sooner or later. You can bet on that! In fact, I believe that ASD will not survive 6-7 more months.
Kevin, if you think that ASD is going to be the LARGEST advertising company in the world then you seriously need to go and get your head checked out.
This is your response. Kevin said you were simply “Dumber than you look”, he didn’t call you an idiot. But you called him one.
And another thing. I have yet to see where your “opinion” is nothing more than an “opinion” and based on no facts. I think you well know “opinions are like …….., we all have one”. Present company included.
But there is a difference in having an opinion and being judgmental based on no facts. That’s where I have a problem with your statements sir and I’m sure ASD will as well.
July 19th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Butch, did you read Kevin’s entire post? Read it all and see what he says at the end of his statement.
July 19th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
My apologies sir. As I said, no respect for name calling either way.
But you haven’t answered my questions. Please give me the facts that you based your opinion on in regard to ASD.
That’s really the issue. And as I said, I will certainly bring up your concerns when I meet with Mr. Bowdoin next week.
July 19th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
I want to debunk this notion that Andy is some kind of genius, visionary, and astute businessman. If he is so astute and a visionary, then how in the world did he start an online Internet company with a manual back office? Not very astute or a visionary. For someone who saw the vision of GPS technology ahead of its time, you would have thought he would know he had to have an automated system. But the lie of this is this. The same idea that Uncle Andy had the vision for in 1999, was already being done in 1995. What a visionary. Then we come to the issue of his not having enough staff to handle the explosion of growth. Any astute businessman has contingency plans in place before they open their doors to handle such growth. They react immediately, not months after it is happening. You also work out what methods of payment you are going to receive BEFORE you open your doors, not after. For them to just now getting around to accepting VISA (why not MasterCard, American Express and Discover?) is laughable. This is what real companies do before they open their doors.
I keep hearing about all these other avenues of income ASD is supposed to have. Well, why doesn’t good ole Uncle Andy tell what they are instead of alluding to them? He can’t because they don’t exist. I am not saying he is not trying to find some, but the point is they have never been there from day one as claimed. So, you want proof? Then I want you to give proof these revenue streams exist. Name every company from which these revenues will be paid to ASD. As for the CD’s, you have got to be kidding. Let’s just say the YouTube videos are a higher quality than these CD’s. Speaking of which, how many did you buy? How many are the faithful buying?
So if Andy is such a visionary, then why is he not selling company merchandise at all these rally’s? Gee, guess good ole Uncle Andy missed the boat on that visionary idea. That one was a freebie, but I have a lot more ways Uncle Andy could be making money from his rally’s, but I am not going to reveal them. Besides, he is such a visionary and astutue businessman he would know what they are. Visionary my armpit. Astute businessman, well he got part of the astutue right.
Uncle Andy would have better luck using the money he is wasting hiring all these attorney’s and put them into really solving all his business problems. This notion that his threats of lawsuits are sending chills down the spines of those who are posting against his business model is a joke. There is a magic word in a lawsuit and it is called “Discovery.” You should look it up and see just how magical this word can be. This just means that if Uncle Andy does sue someone, they have the right to have Uncle Andy provide all his financial records for ASD, and personally. This means all those contracts that have been supposedly signed by all these major corporations that are just dying to do business with ASD have to be presented into evidence. All those sources of revenue streams have to be shown. Now there are a whole lot more things that Uncle Andy will have to bring to the table under the “Discovery” phase of the filing. And then you have this magical part of filing called counter-suit. This is where the filing really gets fun. This means the person Uncle Andy filed against, files against Uncle Andy. Now this one really opens up Pandora’s box. I am still looking to find where this $10 Mill lawsuit was filed against Ron Cook. I mean the believer’s said it was filed, so therefore it has to be true. Because we all know that the believer’s only tell the truth, and of course they are not required to show their proof, we just have to take your word for it. I really hope Uncle Andy did, because he is going to get a lesson in the difference between filing a lawsuit and winning one. Time will soon tell if this is true or if it was just a good line to keep the faithful hyped. Personally I think he was blowing smoke, just like he has been blowing smoke about all these major corporations buying ad space from ASD.
So when is ASD going to show the proof all these other revenue streams are real? All we have heard so far is talk. What you seem to forget is, ASD has to prove it is real, not the other way around.
July 19th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
According to my information, the actual law firm on retainer to file the lawsuits on behalf of ASD is Meshbesher & Spence. If indeed true, look out. This firm is listed as a very prestigious firm. A number of “super lawyers” on staff…this firm is VERY well known in the law practice industry and VERY successful. I myself, am researching the ASD opportunity, and as many have stated, I also know a number of people doing very well with it. I have seen numerous opportunities come and go. This looks to be interesting to say the least. We’ll see what happens. But I’d be careful what I’d say before getting all the facts.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:14 am
Butch:
This is THE Question:
ASD has posted on their website (actually a third party FreeWebs page hosting information for this Multi-Million Dollar cutting edge company) that they brought in $90MM in June.
hxxp://dawnstowers.webs.com/rebateforasd.htm
In order to make a 125% revenue share on that $90MM the company needs to generate $225,000,000 (Notes for the mathematically challenged and the ostrichesque cheerleaders are below).
Please ask Mr. Bowdoin where he anticipates that much income would come from.
It doesn’t matter how much time it takes, that’s just the money to cover the anticipated 125% revenue share just for the those buying in June.
If the answer is that it will come from new advertising packages, in whole or in part, then every single dollar that is used to address that will create a new “liability of $2.50″.
(Yes, I know that it’s not a liability in an accounting sense, but we all know that people aren’t buying incentivized views of their page for $1 each, they are purchasing for the revenue share).
If the answer is from “outside income” then that’s great, but, what revenue sources could possibly create income that is apx. 1/10th the amount of what Yahoo is generating over a similar time period. Yahoo has 124Million Unique Visitors a Month, ASD has 25,000 (Seems a little incongruous to me).
http://www.quantcast.com/yahoo.com
http://www.quantcast.com/asdcashgenerator.com
(Note: The great and powerful AndyB, who’s promising to fully leverage the ASD membership for the benefit of the ASD membership isn’t bright enough to contact Quantcast, one the most reputable website tracking companies in the world, to let them know that ASD accepts advertising. LOL!)
It’s not Greenbackstreet for sure that will provide anywhere near that amount of income. GBS can barely get into the top 100,000 at Alexa even AFTER the announcement to the Powerful (ha!) ASD membership. (Note: Greenback street was basically dormant prior to the announcement and integration with the 120,000+ database at ASD. What a Joke!)
Quancast:
http://www.quantcast.com/asdcashgenerator.com
Alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/greenbackstreet.com
Alexa shows the 90 day moving average for GSB as over 300,000. That’s not visitors, that’s RANKING. And this is supposed to be a “Leader” In online shopping. HA!
(High School kids with summer projects can get better Alexa rankings!)
So, Butch, where’s the dough coming from?
That’s the question to ask!
Sincerely,
AQ
* * * * * * * * * * *
OKAY CHEERLEADERS, I’M GOING TO CUT YOUR OBJECTIONS OFF AT THE PASS:
(1) Yes I know that the funds to pay out the revenue share are not needed immediately because or reinvestment (whoops, I mean repurchase). But, that doesn’t mean the liability doesn’t go away, it just gets bigger. (”And Leo’s Getting Laaaarger.. . ” Name that movie quote).
(2) The math is correct. Get out your crayons and trace on your paper with me.
$90 MM in the door (per the company as noted above)
$90 x 125% = $112.500,000 (Basic math, can’t argues with that)
$112.50MM / 50% = $225,000,000 (whoops, sorry, let make this easier)
In order to be left with $112,500,000 you need to start with $225,000,000.
$225,000,000 x 50% = $112,500,000.
Now, can SlickAndyB generate SOME income from his cheerleading sycophantic membership who is only buying “advertising” for the return?
Sure!
But, can he go from a standing stop to grossing nearly a Quarter of a BILLION Dollars?
Nope, that’s an emphatic NO!
But, Butch, ask him anyway. See how he squirms, changes the subject, tells you there is a miracle in a new black box project.
But, it ain’t gonna happen.
PERIOD.
But ask him anyway, if ya got the guts.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Silverschells, you make some pretty vague accusations about “Uncle Andy’s” business abilities and business in general. I know a manufacturing company (yes, they do exist on our soil) that ran into similar problems (not enough staff, not enough equipment, building too small, not enough “back-up” suppliers etc) when the started…and this is a “traditional” brick and mortar business. They had/have growing pains just like ASD…but on a much smaller scale, and it’s not the first company this gentleman has started. I’m sure he’ll make it though. He is very successful. Maybe you would you like to pass on your “vast wisdom” to him as well? I mean, he must be doing things wrong to have growing pains…right? Like “Uncle Andy”, he must NOT be a visionary…or all of his growing pains would have been avoided. Again, we’ll see what happens with ASD. One way or another, the truth will come out.
July 20th, 2008 at 5:37 am
Very interesting reading. Not to be a snob or anything, but each person’s posts will have more gravitas if they are grammatically correct and checked for typos/misspellings. It’s hard to respect what the poster is saying if it’s not written well.
By the way, it’s LOSE (looz) money, NOT LOOSE (loos)!!!
July 20th, 2008 at 5:40 am
A lot of people just don’t comprehend the volumes of scams permeating the Internet. They just see a smiling old man telling them to join up and they’ll make money and they don’t think to doubt it. Using hype, persuasion and several psychological tricks they snare these people at will.
1. The program will be declared illegal by the FTC.
2. Is not sustainable over the long haul.
There is just no way this thing can survive and/or get passed the FTC for long.
This is progressing so much like all the others.
Huge Growth, Arrogant Management Swimming in Money, Cheerleaders, Bashers, Threats of lawsuits, Promises of Huge Strategic Alliances, Delivery of miniscule wanna be alliances, delayed withdrawals (because of growth), website problems. . .. . .
All similar to companies with similar/identical business models.
Then news will be trickle out to the Feds and the State authorities. Accounts will be frozen, no funds coming in or going out.
ASD will protest that they’ve been wronged, that they’ll fight to the death to prove their innocence and help their thousands of members who put trust in them.
ASD will blame someone, anyone (Remember Charis Johnson blaming Stormpay, the Feds, the Utah TV Station, etc.).
Some very deluded ASD Cheerleader will even try to raise funds for the company’s legal defense.
And, then, alas reality will hit. The frozen funds will remain frozen. Big builders and players will begin to get summons (sp?) word will spread and euphoria of wealth that had converted to fear of loss will morph into panic of legal action.
I can see it plain as day.
May take weeks or even months, but the longer it takes, the more people will be hurt.
July 20th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Excellent reading!
If you REALLY want to make money with this, secure the book rights to “The Rise and Fall…” These discussions are just as fascinating as the absurdity of the company, and all the rallies and cheerleading surrounding it.
July 20th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Meshbesher & Spence
Minnesota Law Office Meshbesher and Spence Personal Injury Lawyer and Attorney in Minneapolis Minnesota.
If this is the law firm that is representing Andy do right then they have a problem as none of their lawyers are registered with the Florida Bar and therefore they can not practice law in the State of Florida. Since Andy Do right’s company is in Florida then he must file his lawsuit here.
Ron:
So if you have something bad to say, better you be able to back it up with evidence or hold onto it until you can prove it.
That statement by you is really funny. Perhaps you need to do some more reading on other forums as those of us that the Cheerleaders have called Bashers have in fact posted the proof to back up our claims (many of the documents produced was from Public Info) and yet it is the so called Cheerleaders and Andy as well that have failed to produce any documentation to support their claims including the picture. I for one drove the 30 miles from my home to the home office and when I was taking pictures so that the Cheerleaders could see what the office looked like I was told that they did not want the pictures shown. When I asked for a copy of the picture that was shown at the Rally in Miami of Andy with the President I was told that it was at the printer. When I asked to go into the office I was told that they were closed.
So, what it all boils down to is that the Bashers have more proof that this is a scam than the Cheerleaders who have no proof that it is not a scam.
Lets look at what has been accomplished by the bashers:
1. More people are now questioning if they made the right choice.
2. People that would have joined are not.
July 20th, 2008 at 9:40 am
“Web 3.0″ (as termed by ASD)…
That must be a synonym for “Site still down”…
July 20th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Yo! Silverschells:
When you copy a post from another forum or blog please have the common courtesy to attribute the author or at least acknowledge that you are reposting information from another location.
Sheeeesh.
AQ
July 20th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
When you hear the question asked, “where does the money come from to pay the members?” and the answer is that ASD uses profits from its other businesses as well as the Ad Cash Generator to come up with its payback percentages, doesn’t a big red flag go off in your head?
It does mine.
Proof does not get any more obvious than this. Ad Cash Generator obviousley does not sustain itself if money has to be pulled from sister businesses to pay the ASD members.
I am not posting to bash ASD members. The truth is I have friends in this business who are very excited about it. The other truth is that my heart is breaking for them, because I know that this business will crumble.
I also know that members are going to the ASD rallys (or whatever you they are called) and meeting wonderful, sincere, positive minded people. And members are listening to excited, sincere people who have made money from ASD.
That’s the power of this kind of scheme. 90 plus percentage of those around you are sincere. Why? Because 2 to 5 percent of them have pulled their money out and gotten a check and even made a profit. These folks are now telling you how wonderful this is. And that it really works. Because it did for them!
This creates trust and excitement in everyone that hears their testimonials. Which causes more and more people to jump in. An irrational exuberance is created. Much like what caused the real estate bubble where I live, here in las vegas.
But I was lucky enough to see it for what it was. I sold my condo at the peak of the bubble, and tried to tell my friends not to buy at the incredibly inflated prices. My ex-girlfriend wanted to buy a house. I tried to convince her not to. But she did anyway, against my advice. I even went with her to the loan officer and argued with the loan officer that this bubble was going to burst. He said I was wrong and told me and her how he is still buying more and more property. He was the professional. Why should she listen to me? Turned out I was right. I’m not bragging. I was simply right.
And I know I am right now.
I feel for all the good intentioned people that are trying to make the big money. I hope you will heed the simple math shown above. Pull out your money now before this thing crashes around you. It will crash. This is not a person being negative. It’s just simple math.
Think about it - the genius of this money making model. Let me ask you this. If you wanted to create your own get rich quick scheme, what would be the best way to get the most money before the scheme crashed?
How about this. Find a way to have your members send you the biggest check they can afford. Now find a way to hold their money for as long as possible before having to pay their profit back to them.
Isn’t this exactly what ASD is doing? They came up with the perfect way to hold your money for as long as possible. They said pay your money for the ad package. So you did. You sent them the check. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors. They tell you “now just keep reinvesting the profits!” “It will build greater and greater.” “You are becoming wealthier as you continue to reinvest and stare at all these ads.” But when it comes down to it, it’s all just a way to hold off paying people back, so they can have more time to get more members, and their checks.
So 3%ish pull their money out and make profits and tell you of their wonderful story, while 97%ish keep their money in, believing they are getting richer and richer.
Pull out as soon as you can my friends. My heart goes out to those of you who do not make it in time.
Everything else aside, it’s just simple math.
July 20th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Oh I have the guts, and I will ask him.
And I have a question for you sir…with all your self portrayed insight, wisdom and knowledge, why haven’t you ask him yourself rather than make vague accusations and innuendos based simply on your opinion?
My final word, have a good day.
July 20th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Well put, Irrational Exuberance! Bravo!
I, too, am a [soon-to-be reformed] member, currently cashing out what I originally put into this program. I’m getting out BEFORE the crash. Let’s just hope that I actually have my checks delivered — they’re also stalling cash-outs, together with drawn-out delivery.
I’m tired of the smoke-screen spin routine.
July 20th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Irrational Exuberance:
Great Post. You nailed it.
And, your empathy for the enthusiastically deluded shows volumes about your character. You you know what’s coming, are trying to warn others to avoid but still feel bad for them when and as it collapses.
Would that there were more people like you.
Oh, and, by the way, GREAT Name.
Mr. Greenspan would be proud.
Whoops, almost forgot to mention, I just found this fun little You Tube info piece about ASD. You’ll enjoy it!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pnLOXZEFT5M
Watch and Enjoy
AQ
July 20th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Thanks Jim Cobb for sticking up for us at ASD. I am glad to be a part of your team. Roughly 95% of internet based business are scams, so you mean to tell that there can’t be 1-3 good ones out there. You people who aren’t even a part of the company and are slandering the business, I call all of you DREAM STEALERS just because you are working your butts off day in and out ,you can’t accept that you can make money this easily. Wow I have a blog everything I write must be true. No, it’s just your opinion.
July 20th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Thanks for the kind words. They are appreciated.
I have heard talk about this company rivaling google as an advertising medium. Let’s look at this for a moment.
I have used Google as an advertising medium in the past. I paid an average of about 6 cents per click to advertise my website.
ASD charges $1 for each time one person views a members website. That’s per VIEW not per CLICK.
I know from my own experience advertising with Google Adwords that a person is lucky to get 1 click per 100 views.
A view means the person saw the ad but did not want to go to the website.
A click means the person saw the ad and was interested so they clicked the ad and went to the website.
So Google charges per click.
and ASD charges per view.
Now if you are ready to do some scarry math and compare ASD to Google, then we must compare apples to apples by converting ASD views to clicks (Google charges per click).
So at 1$ per view, using the very fair formula of 1 click for 100 views, ASD charges about $100 per click.
If this does not show you that the underlying business model is unworkable and that the ads are just a smoke screen, so they can say they offer a service, then I don’t know what more to say.
This is not a viable advertising medium, the advertising is simply a way for them to say they are offering a service for the money that is paid.
Someone above mentioned their daughters website selling some toothbrushes. They forgot to mention the advertising cost was at the very least $100 per toothbrush.
July 20th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
“You people who aren’t even a part of the company and are slandering the business, I call all of you DREAM STEALERS just because you are working your butts off day in and out ,you can’t accept that you can make money this easily”
Who was right? Those that drank the Kool-Aid or the the outsiders that did not?
And you’re right. I do work my butt off. It’s the only way to appreciate the money. Most lottery winners go bankrupt.
I don’t want easy money. I want to work hard and smart and innovate so America stays the great country that it is. America would not be where it is today if the pioneers went after the ‘easy money’.
July 20th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Irrational Exuberance…I’m trying to figure out exactly..your last post. I know you are trying to compare Google to ASD, but it’s not the same. There are no “clicks” because the sites rotate, and you view the sites at random, and each site is guaranteed (according to the info) to be viewed per add purchased (cost $1 per add) The charge is the $1 per view as you stated…but it’s going to be viewed. Period. How much do you think Google would really charge if they new their 100 views (to get a “click” as you describe in your example) received 100 clicks…and then the “clicker” (customer) actually viewed the website for a required period of time? I can assure you, they would charge much more than the $0.06 they charged you. I don’t have a dog in this fight yet…I’m still researching. But you cannot compare a 1% average “click” through (Google) at $0.06 to 100% web site “viewed” at $1. On top of that, I’m not sure what word/s you were using, but I would have been charged $2.57 per click when I went looking.
Again I ask you. What would Google charge if it provided a 1 to 1 ratio to it’s advertisers?
July 21st, 2008 at 9:43 am
D:
For giggles lets say that viewing the same ads over and over again of the same thing does generate some financial gain for an individual. And for all general purposes lets say that the company and Uncle Andy is legit. Why lie about your credentials and especially when you know that they are not true. Did Uncle Andy really think that someone somewhere would not look to see if any of what he was saying was true?
Come on! Everyone is not that much of a sucker…or at least I would hope not.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Jack,
What exactly has Uncle Andy stated himself, that is not true? I’m not saying he hasn’t said something that wasn’t quite true - he may have….I’m asking exactly what HE said (not 3rd party conversations) that was not true, and how do you know this for a fact? Just a question.
July 21st, 2008 at 10:48 pm
D ….Thanks for calling me on my post not being as clear as it could be. I was in a hurry when I wrote it, but I stand behind my conclusion. here’s why ..
A view on ASD is basically equal to a view of my ad on Google. One may say that the view on ASD is more valuable than the view on google because the former is in front of your face for 15 seconds. This is actually a good point, except for one fact. Noone sees my ad unless they are looking for my exact product. in other words they only VIEW my ad “camping tents for sale” when at that moment in time “camping tents” are what they need to purchase.
What would you say is more valuable, an ad for exactly what you want at that moment or an ad someone else hopes you would be interested in.
Therefor, if you follow my logic, a highly targeted ad is, at the very least, of equal value to a random ad or website you view for 15 seconds.
With that said, I am paying less than a tenth of a penny for each view of my TARGETED ad. I would have to pay $1 per view to ASD to advertise to a non-targeted group of consumers.
…to be continued
July 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm
I’ll put it in a Jeff Foxworthy-isms…..
If you’re promising riches beyond belief…you might be a scam.
If you’re using buzz words like ” passive income”…. “ground floor”….”no brainer”…. you might be a scam.
If the founder lives in Florida…..it might be a scam.
If you’ve never met any failures in the business…..it might be a scam.
just food for thought
July 21st, 2008 at 11:02 pm
continuing previous post …
Why do I say less than a tenth of a penny for a VIEW on google? because I pay an average of 6 pennys per CLICK on google. and my stats show that approx 1 out of 100 people who view my ad actually click on it and go to my website.
Now remember that my ad is to a highly targeted audience. If my ad was shown randomly on Google, I would be lucky to get 1 click per 1000 views, which interprets into one interested person per 1000 VIEWers.
Following this logic, perhaps you can see how my numbers concerning ASD advertising costs are actually being generous in ASD’s favor.
to be continued …
July 21st, 2008 at 11:31 pm
I’m sorry but I don’t believe you! You say that you are just sorry for those of us who have been deceived. You don’t know anything, really, about the company or how things work or you wouldn’t make some of the ridiculous statements you have made. And to the one who demeaned the websites that are viewed, I’m not even going to take my time to go back and look up your name because you know who you are, what a jerk you must be. Sorry, but the name fits. My website is very nice and I have a great product, and I’m sure you have never visited my website but just because it is being viewed by ASD members you act like it is worthless.
Let me see, I have been doing printscreen and saving as jpegs alot of the websites as proof of the variety and kinds of people/companies that are advertising on ASD. I think someone already mentioned Delta Airlines, several chiropractors, a pediactric clinic in north Georgia, Vonage, I viewed the Avon lady’s ad, Continental Airlines, a Chevrolet dealer, VMC Satellite dish network, NAPA Auto Parts, LifeLock… I know he advertises on tv, but I have proof if you would like to see it, Landmark Realty, Chase bank, I don’t think they are surfing…hmmm they must be advertising … lots of not-well-known businesses like mine… shall I go on because I have more?
If you really CARE, why not join, for free, get your own back office, and do your research. I did my research. My husband and I were each on our computers for days. Then we went to Miami to make sure before we did anything with our money. What I like is that people who joined a year ago and those who join today earn the same percentage each day. They don’t earn a higher percentage because they got in first. I don’t know what you call that but I call it fair. Good night.
July 22nd, 2008 at 6:56 am
tick-tock…
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:42 am
“…proof of the variety and kinds of people/companies that are advertising on ASD. I think someone already mentioned Delta Airlines,…”
This is how rumors get started.
July 22nd, 2008 at 11:16 am
Pawel, me thinks you need to do some growing up, get out of your mother’s basement and away from your computer for a while and experience life a bit before making all these unsubstantiated claims. In other words get a friggin life buddy!! I feel more sorry for you than the people who may or may not be getting scammed!
Good day, pasty white boy……….
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:07 pm
As a fellow human being, I’m totally embarrassed for all the people who can’t see all the scam signs associated with ASD. I really believe that many of them actually know it’s a scam but they’re trying to make as much money as possible before everything comes crashing down.
There was a similar scam perpetrated by phoenixsurf.com last year that was shut down by the SEC. Would any of you ASD Einsteins like to explain what makes ASD any different or would you rather keep your heads in the sand like a pack of ostriches and continue taking the money from naive future participants?
I can’t wait for the SEC to shut down ASD. I also can’t wait for IRS to take the list of participants and start auditing them because you can be sure that many of these participants are the type of people who cheat all over their tax returns.
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Irrational Exuberance,
Understood (camping tents for sale). However, when not “looking” for camping tents (because you have never thought about camping) you may not even know this product exists. You get no exposure to people unfamiliar with camping. So your market is limited (you are using a “target” market approach only). Now that said, that is fine, that may be worth the $0.06 you paid. With ASD, you have a guaranteed market of views (targeted-so to speak) because they have to look at the site. Included, you also have the added effect/benefit of seeing “camping tents for sale” and…shazam! You have now informed a viewer/customer about your product and then they in turn may indeed become a pure “target”. It’s kinda like a “two-for-one”…at a cost of $1. Again, when I went looking, clicks for my target were $2.75, much more than $1. I have enrolled in the program (for free, no ad packs purchased) to indeed REALLY investigate. The ads I have seen deal with numerous other products or services I had NO IDEA existed. Of course, some are junk mail type adds/sites. But hey, there definitely are some advantages to this system for getting products out there into the market. The “money” deal is obviously the biggest question. If they can hold on long enough to get some major players advertising, they very well could be huge. There are a number of ways they can indeed be financially sound. But the proof will be in the pudding I guess.
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Irrational Exuberance,
One additional note. Think of the number of websites that have NO shot of being found by a possible customer in the Search Engines because they don’t “rank” high enough. Other than knowing the exact URL, they don’t have a shot. ASD gives them a shot. Again, for a $1, that doesn’t sound like a bad idea. Example. I advertise on-line in “Yellow Pages”. I paid $35 month for 12 months = $420 per year. I received 3 actual “views”. Now that is $140.00 per view, and no sales were made. That is a loss (advertising wise) of $139 per view when compared to the same $420.00 on ASD. I would have receive 420 views. If 1% of the views buy (average) that is 4 times as many sales as I had with yellowpages.com. This MUST be taken into account ADVERTISING wise.
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Ginny,
Please…give me a break. There are some question on a number of aspects of ASD. But let’s not start calling all involved crooks. There are differences between ASD and the others you list. Why don’t you look into it yourself. By the way, according to the “fine print” of ASD, the rebates/bonus’s can be terminated at any time. Now, that said, the model is questionable when doing the math, however, there are many ways to “skin a cat”…legally mind you. As I have stated over and over, we’ll see.
July 22nd, 2008 at 5:42 pm
D, do tell. …
Enlighten us to at least a few of the ways to skin this cat.
According to the company they brought in $90MM in June. To pay the 125% and the 50% for admin overhead they need to generate $225MM sometime over the next few months.
h**p://dawnstowers.webs.com/rebateforasd.htm
That’s nearly a quarter of a BILLION Dollars.
Yes, that’s B for BILLION.
Sorry, you’ll need to sell a boatload of ebooks and have every man woman and child in ASD spend $10,000’s at GreenBackStreet (that’s a whole ‘nother story in itself. LOL) to make even a DENT in that cash flow need.
And, yo, Einstein, as soon as the revenue share decreases or, heaven forbid, STOPS, there won’t be ANY new purchases.
Who in their right mind would pay a $1 a hit.
There are DOZENS of traffic exchanges where you can buy incentivized hits to your site for $.01 - $.05.
Why pay a buck?
Math Never Lies.
AQ
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Kaboom!…
Bring out the lifeboats!…
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:30 pm
So I typed in the address (3415 Yanceyville St, Greensboro) of Robert F Garner (ASD’s “prestigious” attorney) into Virtual Earth, and lo and behold the aerial view showed nothing but a bunch of trees. Every other active address on that street resulted in the aerial view of a building (i.e., 2715 Yanceyville is a police station). Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.
Also, Garner’s web site ( garnerlawoffice.com ) was created by his own “company” Turning Wheels International, an apparently now-defunct entity. I wonder if he ever offered his web site devel